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[Viewpoint]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

Just like criminals do not "capitulate" the the laws. But you are paying for your crimes and you will pay more in the future.

If this is paying for our "crimes" ıts weel worth it as the alternative is unthinkable of, you need to understand this.

[Piratis]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

Just like criminals do not "capitulate" the the laws. But you are paying for your crimes and you will pay more in the future.

If this is paying for our "crimes" ıts weel worth it as the alternative is unthinkable of, you need to understand this.

If legality, democracy, and equality of Cypriot citizens is still something unthinkable for you, as it was when you first invaded our island and undemocratically imposed your rule and divided the population in such a racist way, then you need rehabilitation.

[Viewpoint]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

Just like criminals do not "capitulate" the the laws. But you are paying for your crimes and you will pay more in the future.

If this is paying for our "crimes" ıts weel worth it as the alternative is unthinkable of, you need to understand this.

If legality, democracy, and equality of Cypriot citizens is still something unthinkable for you, as it was when you first invaded our island and undemocratically imposed your rule and divided the population in such a racist way, then you need rehabilitation.

In 1571 the world was a different place so comparing it to 2009 is irrelevent. What you have to comprehend is that we have no concern with the principles your put forward being the knife its the surgeon we do not trust. There has to be safeguards that will guarantee you cannot push us out of the picture ever again.

[Piratis]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

Just like criminals do not "capitulate" the the laws. But you are paying for your crimes and you will pay more in the future.

If this is paying for our "crimes" ıts weel worth it as the alternative is unthinkable of, you need to understand this.

If legality, democracy, and equality of Cypriot citizens is still something unthinkable for you, as it was when you first invaded our island and undemocratically imposed your rule and divided the population in such a racist way, then you need rehabilitation.

In 1571 the world was a different place so comparing it to 2009 is irrelevent. What you have to comprehend is that we have no concern with the principles your put forward being the knife its the surgeon we do not trust. There has to be safeguards that will guarantee you cannot push us out of the picture ever again.

The problem is that you haven't changed at all since the middle ages. You still think that you can undemocratically impose your will by force.

We never tried to "push you on the side". On the contrary, it is your minority which tried and continues to try to take disproportionally large amounts of land and power on our expense.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis take a step back just for a few seconds and show your human side tell us all do you support a BBF with political equality?

[Get Real!]

There has to be safeguards that will guarantee you cannot push us out of the picture ever again.

If it's your destiny then so be it. You cannot fight nature’s natural selection process.

[Nikitas]

VP said:

"This is our problem ......"

now who is being hardline and arrogant like the GCs were in the 60s?

[Piratis]

Piratis take a step back just for a few seconds and show your human side tell us all do you support a BBF with political equality?

Of course I support political equality, but you don't.

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/inequality/S ... /Verba.pdf

As far as BBF goes, it depends on what kind of BBF it is. There are many kinds of BBF that would suit us just fine.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis take a step back just for a few seconds and show your human side tell us all do you support a BBF with political equality?

Of course I support political equality, but you don't.

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/inequality/S ... /Verba.pdf

As far as BBF goes, it depends on what kind of BBF it is. There are many kinds of BBF that would suit us just fine.

2 founding states under one soverignty one identity and political eqaulity of the 2 states..this is what we have in mind. Whats your version?

[Piratis]

Piratis take a step back just for a few seconds and show your human side tell us all do you support a BBF with political equality?

Of course I support political equality, but you don't.

By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/inequality/S ... /Verba.pdf

As far as BBF goes, it depends on what kind of BBF it is. There are many kinds of BBF that would suit us just fine.

2 founding states under one soverignty one identity and political eqaulity of the 2 states..this is what we have in mind. Whats your version?

Republic of Cyprus transformed into a federation with political equality between the citizens as it exists in every other democratic country.

One Cypriot state will be made by the territories where the (pre 1974 ethnic cleansing) majority are GCs, and the other state will be made by territories that TCs are the legal majority. Then there will be a strong central government elected democratically by the Cypriot people.

Cyprus to be fully independent with no foreign troops or foreign "guarantees", apart from those of UN and EU.

A perfectly fine BBF solution which will be accepted by the vast majority of the Cypriot people.