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[Piratis]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

[shahmaran]

And thats how you will loose half of the island jerkoff

[Viewpoint]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

[Kikapu]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks,

I have yet to see this 29% figure in any of the UN resolution on BBF. Where is it VP.? In any case, this number is not so important if True Federation is agreed on with the full EU principles in place, which is not what you want, because you have no intentions on having a unified Cyprus and your support of the Annan Plan is the proof, therefore no land % can be agreed on, unless first everyone accepts what a BBF is exactly. One thing that it is not and was not agreed on by either side, openly anyway, that BBF was a Confederation and as long as the TCs thinks that BBF means Confederation with 29% land, which basically means complete ownership of the 29%, there never be a settlement, specially when such racist and undemocratic policies that were in the AP are again demanded by the TCs only to apply on the GCs who may want to live in the north state on their own properties, when any other foreigners would have more rights that indigenous GCs. You will not be trusted by the Gcs that you will not kick them out again in due course as before to make the north pure TURKISH.

so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed.

TCs don't have any control over their own destiny, so cut the bravado. Without RoC's and Turkey's agreement, the TCs are stuffed along with Turkey in the EU. The RoC is going about it's business building a legal cases against the "trnc" and Turkey as well as keeping the embargoes in place. The last No Direct Flights was the latest rulings that was reaffirmed. The Orams will be next. The political noose is tightening on the “trnc” with each passing year. You can ignore all this all you want, no matter how fatal it will become in the end. International laws is something the “trnc” cannot escape from, no matter how many Turkish Troops are in the north. Plain and simple.

The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

So what is it the "trnc" is offering to the BIG boys that they will tell the RoC to accept a AP plan if they don't want to. If the RoC is at the bottom of the Big Boys list, just where does the "trnc" stand exactly.? As a matter of fact, it seems like the American are the ones telling Turkey to get out of Cyprus as well as only supporting a BBF to mean "UNIFY" since Americans only understand FEDERATION and not CONFEDERATION. In fact, it is all the BIG boys who have given the RoC their legality and the "trnc" their illegality status and they are still continuing to support those positions. So tell us again as to why you think that the BIG boys are going to make the north become legal and push the south aside.!

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

It is the fact that the 13 points were never changed and could not be changed by the GCs alone, that in order for the RoC to change the 1960 constitution, was the acceptance of the BBF as it is written by the UN resolutions and not what you would like it to be. With Makarios faced with the north being occupied, with the help of late Papadapolous, he agreed on BBF with Denktash. While Denktash thought he in fact scored a major victory by agreeing to BBF that the north can be one of two Federated states, he also assumed all the 1960 provisions in the 1960 Constitution was also protected. I think Denktask made a major mistake by believing in this, and a major victory to Makarios and Papadapolous, since they accepting BBF Federation as in the USA for example, they were not too concerned with this concept, because now they were able to re-write the new constitution without all the privileged articles that favoured the TCs. So basically, what the GCs couldn't do alone in 1963 to change the constitution, Denktash gave his approval in the late 70's with the agreement on BBF. From then on, any new agreement on BBF, meant that the constitution was wide open to remove anything the GCs wanted, or else the agreed BBF could not take place. Once Denktash recognised his mistake, he had nothing to lose but declare first the north as one of two Federated states and then the "trnc", which the BIG boys condemned it and made it an illegal entity which remains to date and there is nothing the north can do to remove that without the approval of the GCs.

That's the reason why the RoC is not pushed by anyone to accept all the provisions that were in the 1960 constitution that once favoured the TCs and the GCs can demand to make changes since BBF was not part of the original constitution. The only way out of this is to agree on a True Federation as the one I gave you or remain as now because there is no other solution until Turkey and the TCs accepts the terms of the original UN resolutions on BBF and not the defunct Annan Plan. 2004 changed everything, which once again Denktash tried to be too clever for his own good by accepting the RoC's EU application for membership, until it was too late to do anything about it, and now, any advantage the TCs or Turkey may have had over the RoC in the first 30 years since 1974, was all lost in 2004 and in fact they have fallen in the disadvantage more and more since 2004. Denktash forgot to read the fine prints on the BBF and the RoC EU application, and for a lawyer, that was no excuse really to have been so ignorant of what was to come. His only ace are the Turkish Troops which is never a long term solution in having peace, and if and when they are removed by Turkey in order to join the EU or told by the BIG boys to do so, then we may yet have a True Federation as intended in the 70's, which will be the best solution if Cyprus is going to unify, and if not, the south will continue to prosper and the north will remain as is with ever more settlers taking over the place, which might be better on the long term, since they are not RoC citizens but Illegal Aliens that can be removed once the RoC and Turkey cut a deal in the future, which will leave the remaining few thousand TCs in the cold with ZERO ability to demand anything, other than their basic rights as equal citizens as anyone else in Cyprus.!

[Oracle]

And thats how you will loose half of the island jerkoff

Since we haven't lost it yet -- as you, yourself, agree -- after 35 years of doing battle with enormous, 'powerful' Turkey ... what makes you think we will lose it in the future?

What factors will come into play, that we haven't experienced already, and won? What will bring about such a dramatic change of events that we "will lose half of the Island"? What new tricks does Turkey have to finally make us lose half the country?

Turkey has failed in the most important part; it has lost momentum; it will lose interest and the Turkish troops will go back ... completely defeated!

[Piratis]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

[Nikitas]

"And thats how you will loose half of the island jerkoff "

Yes, but the TCs have already lost ALL the island. Look around at the place, with flags, statues of Kemal, slogans on every other building, the Turkish army in control of most facets of life, mosques sprouting like mushrooms. Is this the picture of a TC state? You are kidding yourself.

[Viewpoint]

"And thats how you will loose half of the island jerkoff "

Yes, but the TCs have already lost ALL the island. Look around at the place, with flags, statues of Kemal, slogans on every other building, the Turkish army in control of most facets of life, mosques sprouting like mushrooms. Is this the picture of a TC state? You are kidding yourself.

This is our problem and we do not view it like you, what you need to understand is it is preferred to what you have to offer.

[Viewpoint]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

[Piratis]

The only legal thing today is Republic of Cyprus and absolutely nothing more. BBF can be created only if we agree for one. If we don't, then Republic of Cyprus with sovereignty over the whole island remains a unitary state, and everything against the sovereignty and laws of Republic of Cyprus are illegal.

And nobody ever said that a BBF should be one that TCs want. Take land distribution for example. A BBF where TCs control a state making up the 0.1% of Cyprus is a perfectly fine BBF solution according to everything that any leader of Cyprus has ever agreed.

To put make a long story short, you either accept a BBF that we will like and will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, or forget about BBF. Why would we ever agree to change the 1960 agreements for anything that will be better for you and worst for us? So no leader of Cyprus ever lied. We want a BBF, but one that will suit us, not you.

If you are not prepared to accept a BBF that will be better for us than the 1960 agreements, then your choice is between returning to RoC and accepting legality, or continue the illegalities and suffer the consequences.

If you thought that you could gain on our expense you are making a big mistake. It will never happen.

It was BBF with 29% land distribution your pedophile leader accepted it during 1977 talks, so once again you renege a definite sign of things to come should we accept to unite, without our agreement you are stuffed. The big boys once they feel they have something to gain can manipulate and apply pressure on many a nation you guys being no exception if America says jump you say how high sir, if you think you can oppose them feel free to do so and accept the consequences, GC south Cyprus is very low down on the priority list and could be resolved over night if the big boys wanted it, you are deluded if you think that you can stop the big boys from getting what they want.

When has the GC side ever offered that we return the 1960 constitution don't forget it was you who was trying change it, the last offer we got was accept the 13 points and then maybe we will let you take your seats. You lost control of 37% of this island, while I will always support the return of land where possible and full compensation to refugees I will never accept minority status in a GC state run purely by racist GCs who will never allow the progress of TCs into any area of life of significant importance.

We never accepted any 29% of land for your 18% minority, so stop dreaming.

If you thought we were about to surrender to you and your blackmail tactics you are very very mistaken. It will absolutely never happen. The Cyprus problem will be solved when every single inch of territory is returned to the rightful owners, when the sovereignty of Cyprus is respected by foreign Imperialists, and when we will have democracy (one person one vote) without racist descriminations. Until then there will be a Cyprus problem, and we will make sure that this is not just our problem but a problem that hurts you and Turkey as well. We will never capitulate to any foreign invaders no matter how much time passes.

And we will not capitulate to GC demands.

Just like criminals do not "capitulate" the the laws. But you are paying for your crimes and you will pay more in the future.