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[The Cypriot]

Anyone know the good doctor's car registration number? Doesn't matter where the car is!

Wot's up, Doc?



I think we've played this game before, Bugs...

[The Cypriot]

milti,
please don't take it to heart not all brits in the trnc are as stupid as this guy.
these people make me ashamed to be a brit.

Me too. They bring shame on themselves and their mother country.

Eric, roseandchan... please don't feel guilty or embarrassed by this fool, or any other sick Brit in Cyprus.

You aren't in any way responsible for their nastiness or stupidity any more than I, as a Cypriot, am responsible for some of the Cypriot sickos who post their racist, evil, destructive bile on this forum. (Although thankfully they, at least, present themselves to the world as either 'Greeks' or 'Turks').

[miltiades]

The Doctor of Death has a fan club it seems made up from cheapskates arse licking Brits who know absolutely nothing about Cyprus , all are filled with hatred for the G/Cs , such hatred intensified by the knowledge than sooner rather than later they will face what the Orams faced and still do. A bunch of low down cheap Brits who should be ashamed at their actions in purchasing stolen lands. The Brave Doctor Plonker still thinks he will get away with his loot , highly educated as he perceives himself to be but rather naive in the eyes of most reasonable people. How dare he be allowed to glorify his criminal act .
Here is one of his fans joining in :

"""Fair play to you Clarets, you had the balls to face miltides and the usual suspects in their own back yard on the cyprus-forum. He backtracked from being a threatening bully to a person that hates no one and is misunderstood.......my ar@e !

For an alleged 63 year old man he has filled his life with hate and can not see any further than the end of his nose. No wonder the Island is two states, the longer he and his kind show this behaviour the longer it will stay parted......in his own words....."What a PLONKER """

[miltiades]

Another fan of Doctor Plonker writes :

""clarets , relax ,dont lower yourself to they,re level , my dad used to say , a big mouth doesnt make a big man , and all they have is big mouths , they actually believe they have been wronged murdering bastxxxs, your better educated than they,ll ever be , dont even respond to firestarter she nailed her colours to the mast a long time ago , she probably wants to live in the south with her friends but cant afford it lol , shes a hypocrite """

What he is saying is that the G/C "murdering bastards ""who lost their ancestral homes have the audacity to think that they have been wronged !!!! Can you believe the stupidity of these cheapskates !!

[EU Ctzn]

Miltiades,
Your reputation preceeds you.
It is very clear that your have some real and possibly understandible issues with many posters on this forum as well as on others as illustrated by your comments about the gentleman "Clarets".
Clear debate is a time worthy occupation. Respect and tollerance are virtues of any good debate. Please kindly try and develop these virtues. Your skills of evaluation and debate will only become better.

Regarding your Issues. I suspect that you have been inflicted with significant pain over the years. I am sorry for this and hope that you can find the route to happiness that all Cypriots deserve.
It is an undeniable fact that the Island is divided and unlikely to be unified in your lifetime. I have visited Cyprus for many years and family conections stem from 1953 to present. I am British and feel strongly about my herritage and nationality. I have experience of both North and South and i find it very hard to understand some of the levels of hatred that are preset, dare I say it, in the ROC. The ROC is blessed with many strong attributes and could, in my view, so easily move matters forward to settlement. It is clear that the ROC has the political and legal hand whilst the TRNC has the Turkish Military card.
The TRNC, from experience over the past 10 years, has established itself (much to your probable annoyance) beyond even international expectations. My view is that Turkey will not relinquish their support and as they are the Military and economic strength in the Eastern Mediteranean it is highly unlikely that the TRNC will dissapear or be handed to the ROC.
It is international politics that drive the Middle Eastern Gateway. My own government has certainly been very irresponsible in their Cypriot dealings since the 1950,s. It is vey unfortunate indeed that the Island inhabitants have been severley hindered and deprived and persicuted as a result of British, Greek, American and Turkish failings over the years.

What is most distressing is that the Cypriot people, after the failings of the international powers who have taken interest in Cyprus because of its strategic and geographic value, have been forced into a state of war without weapons. The continuous slander, civil litigation, hatred and animosity only feeds the flame that is slowly killing the Island.
One British Appeal Court judge was right when he said that civil litigation (Orams) is ill suited to the resolution of the cyprus problem.
The entry of the ROC into the EU in order to attain political advantage over the TRNC was a mistake. The small Island with such a small population is slowly but surely loosing its identity. The ROC is just another European state. Fellow europeans are arriving to the extent that Cypriots are becoming diluted, dispersed and of lesser importance on the Island.

Whilst I do not preach that I have a solution for your issues. It may be possible for you to review your aspirations and goals to what is really achievable in you lifetime. Your family must take up the challenges of the new Cyprus after you have gone. What is really acheivable for them too?

[miltiades]

I have the feeling that you do not really know much about me or my well documented views on the Cyprus issue.
I dont expect any newcomer to bore him self to tears going back and researching a forumers posts in order that he or she may form a researched opinion on an individual.

I have not personally suffered as a result of the conflict and neither did I suffer as a result of the invasion of 1974. My financial loss is negligible and it does not influence in any way my feelings and views on the Cyprus issue.
Let me just say that of all the G/Cs on this forum , Im the only one who , on more than one occasion , posted that mey dream was to see a united Cyprus and a T/C as the president of a united Cyprus. I qualified this by stating that such an event would herald the beginning of a new era and the ending of an old one.
I count amongst my friends countless T/Cs , on this forum alone , without counting , I would say at least one dozen.
My credentials as a Cypriot above all else are well known on this forum not least my commited adherence to the belief that the T/Cs are my compatriots and my Cypriot brothers and sisters.
I have also posted on a number of occasions that in my extended family we have amonfgsts us a T/C .
I have nothing to prove , those that have been on the forum for a few years now know exactly where I stand.

The situation with the Brits and their intense hatred against the G/Cs is no different from similar situations that over the years have arisen on the CY Forum , situations that my principles will not allow me to accept or witness without challenging vigorously views that I consider detrimental to the efforts in progress for a peaceful and just solution.
The Brits who spew poisonous derogatory comments on the G/Cs I challenge and continue to do so just as I challenged and will continue to do so comments made by extremists , either G/Cs or T/Cs.
Most on the forum understand me , the extremists detest me , the Brits that purchased stolen G/C properties abhor me because I will stand up and challenge them .

To understand Miltiades you may have to do a little "boring" research.

May I respectfully disagree on your comments regarding Cyprus's entry into the EU , in my opinion , stated many times on this forum , the greatest historical achievement that this little island has ever achieved.
Turkeys army might be superior to that of Cyprus but in non polemic terms Cyprus's political MIGHT is far superior to that that Turkey possesses . I'm proud that this island is a part of Europe I'm saddened that my brothers , the T/Cs are forced to remain at a distance.
Turkey has turned the northern part of my country into a mini Turkey , her ambition to exterminate the T/Cs and replace them , as she does with Anatolian Turks. The T/Cs will resist , Turkey will know about it rest assured.

[miltiades]

How right this poster on Cyprus 44 IS !!

"""Clarets,

Also dead easy for a GC property owner to trace your villa, take you to the cleaners in the Cypriot and British courts and publicly shame you in the UK and Cyprus media. """

Doctor Plonker are you tuned in ? Time is almost up , just waiting for the finale in the Orams case and then you will find out WHO the owner of the land that you built your villa on really is , according to international law not the law of a non recognized tin pot state !! You will have the honour of meeting the real owner , I can assure you !

[EU Ctzn]

Miltiades,
Thank you for your comments.
It is pleasing that your have suffered no real significant damage as a result of Cypriot troubles. You are fully aware,I am sure, that many Cypriots have and a state of frustrated peace prevails. Some continue with their lives with positive goals and aspirations to better themselves. Others however chose to live with strife unhappiness and hatred. These poeple are in a diminishing minority and will diminish with time.

I am British. I find it disturbing that you hold such xenophopic views againt the British. Yes the British government have magde some grave errors of judgment and decision in the past 50 years.

You are correct that the TRNC has a significant Turkish population and an increasing Turkish presence generally.
Given the very limited resources and fredoms awarded to your neighbours including TCs the path can be argued as justifiable.
The ROC too has seen influx of foreigners. Europeans are free to work, live, and invest in the ROC.
The TRNC is significantly disadvantaged compared to the ROC. The ROC continue to work to continue with the state of seige. This is wrong in my view and I am pleased to see that the TRNC is able to overcome these events. Yes it is with Turkish aid. I am afraid that the TRNC has had little alternative. It is very sad that many ROC citizens complain about human rights whilst many of the same people are guilty of keeping their neighbours and fellow citizens isollated from the same rights.

There has been significant influx of foreign investment into the TRNC since particularly 2004. It is certainly the case that many people, mainly GC were displaced. Land and property issues are and continue to be very difficult to resolve. The Orams case which is a civil litigation case will not be the solution. I think it very unlikely that there will be any mass movment of Cypriot populus like we saw in 1974. It is just too far down the line to go back.
The European stance of the ROC will have little real effect on the TRNC because it is Turkey that have the command over the North and Turkey is not in the Union. Turkey may turn their back on Europe and USA. It comes down to who needs who the most. The tide on this one is turning. Europe needs Turkey as a military ally.
Europe most recently needs Russian gas piped via Turkey. The USA neds its Turkish military bases and take off points.
Turkey needs European trade...well it has that, particularly under treaty with the British. Turkey has increasing links with all the BRIC economies. Braszil, Russia, India and China.
Many Cypriots have been disadvantaged, deprived and molested in the 50,s 60,s and 70,s. TC and GC and indee some Brits (Eoka campaigns). How can all move on?

My experiance of the TRNC is a vibrant, young and patriotic country that is desperate to participate on the world stage, to have freedom and human rights like any other country. Without Turkish support the region would die.
Without Turkey many would say that the TC would be extinct. The choices have been stark for the TRNC. The path is tough. A lot tougher than the ROC path. However the desire and commitment is omnipresent and unshakable. I think the aspiration is just and I support it. I support the ROC in its desire to be part of Europe.
I do not support anyone who denies any person the very basic human right for freedom, expression and liberty.

[miltiades]

Miltiades,
Thank you for your comments.
It is pleasing that your have suffered no real significant damage as a result of Cypriot troubles. You are fully aware,I am sure, that many Cypriots have and a state of frustrated peace prevails. Some continue with their lives with positive goals and aspirations to better themselves. Others however chose to live with strife unhappiness and hatred. These poeple are in a diminishing minority and will diminish with time.

I am British. I find it disturbing that you hold such xenophopic views againt the British. Yes the British government have magde some grave errors of judgment and decision in the past 50 years.

You are correct that the TRNC has a significant Turkish population and an increasing Turkish presence generally.
Given the very limited resources and fredoms awarded to your neighbours including TCs the path can be argued as justifiable.
The ROC too has seen influx of foreigners. Europeans are free to work, live, and invest in the ROC.
The TRNC is significantly disadvantaged compared to the ROC. The ROC continue to work to continue with the state of seige. This is wrong in my view and I am pleased to see that the TRNC is able to overcome these events. Yes it is with Turkish aid. I am afraid that the TRNC has had little alternative. It is very sad that many ROC citizens complain about human rights whilst many of the same people are guilty of keeping their neighbours and fellow citizens isollated from the same rights.

There has been significant influx of foreign investment into the TRNC since particularly 2004. It is certainly the case that many people, mainly GC were displaced. Land and property issues are and continue to be very difficult to resolve. The Orams case which is a civil litigation case will not be the solution. I think it very unlikely that there will be any mass movment of Cypriot populus like we saw in 1974. It is just too far down the line to go back.
The European stance of the ROC will have little real effect on the TRNC because it is Turkey that have the command over the North and Turkey is not in the Union. Turkey may turn their back on Europe and USA. It comes down to who needs who the most. The tide on this one is turning. Europe needs Turkey as a military ally.
Europe most recently needs Russian gas piped via Turkey. The USA neds its Turkish military bases and take off points.
Turkey needs European trade...well it has that, particularly under treaty with the British. Turkey has increasing links with all the BRIC economies. Braszil, Russia, India and China.
Many Cypriots have been disadvantaged, deprived and molested in the 50,s 60,s and 70,s. TC and GC and indee some Brits (Eoka campaigns). How can all move on?

My experiance of the TRNC is a vibrant, young and patriotic country that is desperate to participate on the world stage, to have freedom and human rights like any other country. Without Turkish support the region would die.
Without Turkey many would say that the TC would be extinct. The choices have been stark for the TRNC. The path is tough. A lot tougher than the ROC path. However the desire and commitment is omnipresent and unshakable. I think the aspiration is just and I support it. I support the ROC in its desire to be part of Europe.
I do not support anyone who denies any person the very basic human right for freedom, expression and liberty.

My dear friend , you are totally wrong on a number of issues. What on earth gave you the idea that I'm xenophobic against the British !!! Those on the forum that know me well enough will no doubt raise an eyebrow at your comments. As I said in my first reply to you you need to do a little research it would be futile for me to go back to areas that I covered many times . Just to give an idea as how I feel about the Brits I have a very large English family , my two children are half English and my grandchildren also have English connections through my wife with whom I have lived since 1963 . The Brits I do not care much for are scumbags , criminals , most of the greedy MPs and bankers including most of those that have bought properties on the cheap in the occupied part of Cyprus. For your information a very large percentage of T/Cs see the north part of their island as Turkish occupied .

The ROC doesn't have any desires to be a part of Europe , it already is a part of Europe.

As for your comment that without Turkey the T/Cs would be extinct , well let me tell you that Turkey is promoting the extinction of the T/Cs , they are to referred to as Turks of Cyprus and not T/Cs.

As for the Orams case I consider the recent ECJ to be hugely important both for the RoC and The T/Cs who will realize even more now that their own properties in the RoC are still theirs and have the backing of the EU.

[miltiades]

One of Doctor Plonkers fans wrote the following"
"""Clarets I have had time now to read the thread on that other forum and I see that militades (dam it lies) and I see after all the nasty threats he has made he has realised that he has taken on a heavyweight and is backing down by insisting you are not a real doctor lol..still the silly asshole had to come up with something to save face. ""

Can anyone see on this thread what this guy sees , ie backing down , realize the Doctor is a heavyweight plonker !!

What a bunch of Yobs they are , firstly they purchase property on the cheap , secondly they condition themselves to hate anyone that might ruin their "investment" ie the G/Cs , thirdly they appear totally oblivious to the fact that they chose to purchase in a part of Cyprus that the entire world considers as an occupied part of Cyprus.