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[YFred]

Scatology is the study of pre-historic shit. Shamaran seems to be an expert scatologist.

Why are so many people unable to see that we live in different times now?

You've missed out the expert in Scatology who Scatologieses in the present day, he will be very upset. Do three crosses, say U Panaiyamu and read his BBF plan three times immediately for forgivnes or you’ll be kicked to kingdom come.

[CBBB]

Scatology is the study of pre-historic shit. Shamaran seems to be an expert scatologist.

Why are so many people unable to see that we live in different times now?

You've missed out the expert in Scatology who Scatologieses in the present day, he will be very upset. Do three crosses, say U Panaiyamu and read his BBF plan three times immediately for forgivnes or you’ll be kicked to kingdom come.

I see that Ybother is changing the subject again!

[The Cypriot]

EU law cannot guarantee any defence what so ever against ethnic nepotism (which is the core of the problems here)

Please explain why you believe free Cypriots, in the EU, in the 21st century, are more likely to be responsible for "ethnic nepotism" than any other citizens of the EU. Why you deserve more protection than any other people have in any other part of the free world?

hence why your cry for democracy is viewed by many, as nothing but a disguise to lure people into a sinister agenda.

What sinister agenda are you imagining? Do you imagine, free Cypriots, in the EU, in the 21st century – with the rest of the EU and the whole world watching – will march you to the gas chambers?

Can't you see your cry of 'sinister agenda' is viewed by far more people, by the rest of the world, as the excuse Turkey uses to keep hold of the north?

Honestly, shahmaran. Can't you see this?

Plus if the TA had not arrived we would still be living "on that era" as there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

That era was a whole generation ago. So much has happened to the free part of Cyprus since then. The Cypriot people have elected a "communist". Hear that? A "communist"! Who a generation ago was a far bigger enemy, a far greater threat than the Turk.

What more evidence do you need that things in Cyprus have changed. TOTALLY.

What happened from then on is another matter, but never the less does not make the cause of the initial actions taken any less relevant, which definitely must be considered when working on an agreement.

Yes. But this works both ways - if you insist in looking at things in terms of 'sides' rather than in terms of what is right and what is wrong; what is now and what was then.

You insist on Turkey's army remaining in Cyprus, on having intervention rights in Cyprus, when it was responsible for crimes against humanity in Cyprus. How can you expect anyone in their right minds to accept this?

So the army stays until we find a just solution that does not disregard our justice, as it has been the case for the past 35 years.

Every day the army remains is another day of injustice for the people of Cyprus, as a whole. 35 years and counting.

We are being punished for something that is out of our control.

Now you are making sense. We, the Cypriot people, as a whole, are being punished for something out of our control.

Only, it is in our control now. For the whole world accepts an agreement BY and FOR Cypriots. For if we speak with one voice, and demand, as the president demands, that Turkey's army go, then the pressure on Turkey to do so would be ovewhelming. And the Cyprus problem would be no more.

It clearly shows how bias the EU and the UN have been treating this matter and it is really naive for you to expect that we would accept a solution only based up on the requirements of the same bodies that have been punishing us unjustly for decades.

You think Cypriots now living in the south and elsewhere haven't been punished for 35 years too, shahmaran? By the EU, UN, US and by whoever else has refused to lift a finger to remove a foreign army legally obliged to restore the territorial integrity and independence of Cyprus?

Don't you get it? The rest of the world isn't biased. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit.

It is just not going to happen, either the world recognizes what REALLY happened here and finds a solution accordingly or we stay as we are for however long it takes, or maybe even become fully annexed by Turkey.

The world is recognising what really happened. It recognises what is still happening, and it recognises Turkey's army will use any and every excuse, including the demons in your head, to remain on Cyprus illegally until such time Cypriots gift Turkey part of their sovereign territory.

But Cypriots had to do that before, in order for Britain to leave. Cypriots will not do so again.

So if Turkey is going to annex part of the island, let her do so, but let her do so illegally, without the world's approval; not legally, with the Cypriot people's approval. For that will never happen.

[Dr J]

CBBB, theres not point asking him inteligent questions. He is on propaganda autopilot and just types out crap without even thinking - like a lot of nationalist Turks in here.

[YFred]

CBBB, theres not point asking him inteligent questions. He is on propaganda autopilot and just types out crap without even thinking - like a lot of nationalist Turks in here.

Subject matter was Scatology - crap, naturally!

[denizaksulu]

its good to see they are calling on turkey to get out of cyprus but its been over 35 years and un has been telling turkey the same.. and as always they ignore it..

they always urge turks to do this and that and if turkey doesent like it they say what u gonna do about it and then the un/eu/us/uk dont do nothing its all words :/

less talk more action.. and by more action meaning forcing the *astards out of cyprus its the only way they will go

Hmmm!!!

I am getting very woried now. Is it because the US oA smells OIL?

[Oracle]

What are we just suddenly supposed to "forget" because DR J and CBBB says so?

The racist discrimination is fully alive and active all over the island and especially in your government, it is not something "left in the past" and it definitely is not to be disregarded.

Ad hominem arguments mean fuck all, you know that don't you?

Here is a perfect example of someone residing in the last remaining ethnically cleansed, racially segregated troop maintained illegally occupied places in the WHOLE world .... shouting out that everyone else is racist.

What a loony!

[paliometoxo]

Well, I am glad we agree on SOMETHING

i know right.. when it comes to politics we disagree on 99.9999% of things but in general chat we agree on more

[shahmaran]

What are we just suddenly supposed to "forget" because DR J and CBBB says so?

The racist discrimination is fully alive and active all over the island and especially in your government, it is not something "left in the past" and it definitely is not to be disregarded.

Ad hominem arguments mean fuck all, you know that don't you?

Where is the racist discrimination when we are issuing ID cards, passports, giving free medical care. etc., etc., to TCs?

Yeah other than the fact that you have kicked us out of our own government by gunpoint and hijacked our nationality, everything else is just fine and dandy, thanks for the medical care as well, that was all we needed

[shahmaran]

EU law cannot guarantee any defence what so ever against ethnic nepotism (which is the core of the problems here)

Please explain why you believe free Cypriots, in the EU, in the 21st century, are more likely to be responsible for "ethnic nepotism" than any other citizens of the EU. Why you deserve more protection than any other people have in any other part of the free world?

hence why your cry for democracy is viewed by many, as nothing but a disguise to lure people into a sinister agenda.

What sinister agenda are you imagining? Do you imagine, free Cypriots, in the EU, in the 21st century – with the rest of the EU and the whole world watching – will march you to the gas chambers?

Can't you see your cry of 'sinister agenda' is viewed by far more people, by the rest of the world, as the excuse Turkey uses to keep hold of the north?

Honestly, shahmaran. Can't you see this?

Plus if the TA had not arrived we would still be living "on that era" as there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

That era was a whole generation ago. So much has happened to the free part of Cyprus since then. The Cypriot people have elected a "communist". Hear that? A "communist"! Who a generation ago was a far bigger enemy, a far greater threat than the Turk.

What more evidence do you need that things in Cyprus have changed. TOTALLY.

What happened from then on is another matter, but never the less does not make the cause of the initial actions taken any less relevant, which definitely must be considered when working on an agreement.

Yes. But this works both ways - if you insist in looking at things in terms of 'sides' rather than in terms of what is right and what is wrong; what is now and what was then.

You insist on Turkey's army remaining in Cyprus, on having intervention rights in Cyprus, when it was responsible for crimes against humanity in Cyprus. How can you expect anyone in their right minds to accept this?

So the army stays until we find a just solution that does not disregard our justice, as it has been the case for the past 35 years.

Every day the army remains is another day of injustice for the people of Cyprus, as a whole. 35 years and counting.

We are being punished for something that is out of our control.

Now you are making sense. We, the Cypriot people, as a whole, are being punished for something out of our control.

Only, it is in our control now. For the whole world accepts an agreement BY and FOR Cypriots. For if we speak with one voice, and demand, as the president demands, that Turkey's army go, then the pressure on Turkey to do so would be ovewhelming. And the Cyprus problem would be no more.

It clearly shows how bias the EU and the UN have been treating this matter and it is really naive for you to expect that we would accept a solution only based up on the requirements of the same bodies that have been punishing us unjustly for decades.

You think Cypriots now living in the south and elsewhere haven't been punished for 35 years too, shahmaran? By the EU, UN, US and by whoever else has refused to lift a finger to remove a foreign army legally obliged to restore the territorial integrity and independence of Cyprus?

Don't you get it? The rest of the world isn't biased. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit.

It is just not going to happen, either the world recognizes what REALLY happened here and finds a solution accordingly or we stay as we are for however long it takes, or maybe even become fully annexed by Turkey.

The world is recognising what really happened. It recognises what is still happening, and it recognises Turkey's army will use any and every excuse, including the demons in your head, to remain on Cyprus illegally until such time Cypriots gift Turkey part of their sovereign territory.

But Cypriots had to do that before, in order for Britain to leave. Cypriots will not do so again.

So if Turkey is going to annex part of the island, let her do so, but let her do so illegally, without the world's approval; not legally, with the Cypriot people's approval. For that will never happen.

Thanks for the effort Cypriot, truly appreciated, as opposed to the insults of the brainless fools who would have no capacity to construct a coherent reply to save their own lives

But still sad to see that you are totally oblivious to the main point I was trying to make as you seem to totally ignore the past and expect us to just jump into your laps and be a minority under a Greek government just because you are made to be the "Free lands" and us the "occupied lands", sorry but that is not where we belong...

It is interesting that you mentioned "Communists to be a far greater threat than Turkey".

I read this real funny article the other day which I cant find at the moment, it was about how the Sampson supporters had gathered all the GC communists for execution just as Turkey invaded and all of a sudden they were turned into "comrades" and forced to help them fight off Turkey.

Funny how your "enemy" can suddenly become your "Allie" when bigger obstacles emerge on the way to your ultimate aim...

This pretty much explains what was to come for the TC's if Turkey was defeated or had not intervened, neither of us would have what we have at the moment!

I am sorry Cypriot but I/we have no reason to trust you nor we should have to.

A solution cannot be based purely on having to trust each other or on the EU laws or the fact that you are some super-civilised-communist-electing-Europeanised-fountain-of-modernity.

It means nothing to me.

There could be a multi-staged solution where trust is gradually established until there is no need for safe guards and that's about as far as I would agree on.

Meaning, yes I would like me or my children to see a united and free Cyprus but have no reason to rush in to it just because we are being blackmailed socially and economically, while you are waving the big "freedom banana" from across the border

THAT is the price we paid since the invasion, what was yours? Your homes? We lost homes too! Your relatives? We lost relatives too!

In return you got to hijack OUR government and OUR nationality along with the cherry topping of the EU membership.

That to me, is far from being punished but more on the lines of being rewarded for trying to destroy your fellow citizens, and us punished for trying to survive in our own lands.

And you expect us to trust these bodies who have brought us where we are?

You must be joking...