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[shahmaran]

Here is the problem.

Turkey says that the troops will be pulled out of Cyprus once a settlement is reached.

But what happens if Turkey does not want a settlement in Cyprus or a settlement she does not agree with.?

It's the "Chicken and the Egg" situation as to what comes first.!

See the problem.!

That is just an assumption, not a very good one either Kikapu, not by your standards anyway.

Or maybe it is just convenient to assume so...

[Kikapu]

Here is the problem.

Turkey says that the troops will be pulled out of Cyprus once a settlement is reached.

But what happens if Turkey does not want a settlement in Cyprus or a settlement she does not agree with.?

It's the "Chicken and the Egg" situation as to what comes first.!

See the problem.!

That is just an assumption, not a very good one either Kikapu, not by your standards anyway.

Or maybe it is just convenient to assume so...

OK, Shah, then let me tackle this from another angle to see if it's any better for you.

At present a settlement in discussion will be based on the already agreed UN resolutions from the past plus all EU Principles of today for a True Federation to take place. I believe this is the RoC's position, therefore, if Turkey wants a settlement based on these principles also, why haven't they agreed to it already, rather than push for a settlement based on anything but the past UN resolutions and EU principles. Turkey wants a settlement such as the Annan Plan which is a complete contrary to the UN resolutions and EU Principles. If Turkey says AP or nothing, than is a good way to keep her troops in Cyprus, is it not.?

It's just like Turkey telling the EU, that unless the EU lifts embargoes on the north, she will not open her ports to the RoC, when in fact they are two separate issues and lifting of embargoes on the north is not a requirement for Turkey's EU membership talks, but opening her ports to the RoC, is. Turkey has been using this argument to delay opening her ports to the RoC knowing full well that the EU just cannot lifts embargoes on the north, since it is a UN matter and not a EU matter. This is the reason as to why the EU has given Turkey a deadline for December to clear up this problem once and for all, and Turkey is now looking for ways to open her ports to the RoC and try and save face at the same time. Lets see what they will do in December.

[DT.]

First solution then the troops, not the other way around...

Fucking republicans have no face to talk about invading other nations, god dam fucking hypocrite yank motherfuckers

You're absolutely right Shah. As you say the US invaded other nations so who are they to tell Turkey not to invade other nations.

[The Cypriot]

First solution then the troops, not the other way around...

Sounds reasonable, until you realise that the troops, essentially, have become the root of the problem; and their presence prevents any solution.

And all the regime in the north can do is 'play statues':

That sounds very in denial, if you truly believe that the troops are the core of the problem

I do actually. I think they're the reason the Cypriots in the north are not able to negotiate in good faith and why statements and actions from the regime are becoming increasingly schizophrenic.

while ignoring the reason for them to be here.

The reason they are there is from another era; to – and I quote – guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of Cyprus. They have failed on at least two of the three counts. You do know the coup failed, EOKA B failed, the junta failed, democracy was restored and both Greece and Cyprus are now in the EU.

First we solve our internal issues then the troops go,

This is a circular argument. The troops are now the main, glaring internal issue. All other issues can be resolved peacefully, in a civilised way, between Cypriots, with rights and freedoms enshrined by EU law, and with serious legal repurcussions for those who fail to comply.

I personally will NEVER vote for the opposite...

That is your prerogative. I am merely pointing out something which is now self-evident to the vast majority of free Cypriots (of whichever background) as well as, perhaps more importantly from your perspective, the rest of the free world, including America.

[shahmaran]

EU law cannot guarantee any defence what so ever against ethnic nepotism (which is the core of the problems here) hence why your cry for democracy is viewed by many, as nothing but a disguise to lure people into a sinister agenda.

Plus if the TA had not arrived we would still be living "on that era" as there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

What happened from then on is another matter, but never the less does not make the cause of the initial actions taken any less relevant, which definitely must be considered when working on an agreement.

So the army stays until we find a just solution that does not disregard our justice, as it has been the case for the past 35 years.

We are being punished for something that is out of our control.

It clearly shows how bias the EU and the UN have been treating this matter and it is really naive for you to expect that we would accept a solution only based up on the requirements of the same bodies that have been punishing us unjustly for decades.

It is just not going to happen, either the world recognizes what REALLY happened here and finds a solution accordingly or we stay as we are for however long it takes, or maybe even become fully annexed by Turkey.

[Dr J]

LOL Same old same old...

The UN is biased, the EU is biased, America is biased......but good old Pakistan, they are on Turkey's side.

[CBBB]

Scatology is the study of pre-historic shit. Shamaran seems to be an expert scatologist.

Why are so many people unable to see that we live in different times now?

[shahmaran]

What are we just suddenly supposed to "forget" because DR J and CBBB says so?

The racist discrimination is fully alive and active all over the island and especially in your government, it is not something "left in the past" and it definitely is not to be disregarded.

Ad hominem arguments mean fuck all, you know that don't you?

[Dr J]

LOL...

...while the RoC government is pushing for equality for all citizens, the Turkish government is pushing for racial boundaries. But if a Turk says your racist than your racist because they are always right!!

Good old Turkey and its anti-racial policies

[CBBB]

What are we just suddenly supposed to "forget" because DR J and CBBB says so?

The racist discrimination is fully alive and active all over the island and especially in your government, it is not something "left in the past" and it definitely is not to be disregarded.

Ad hominem arguments mean fuck all, you know that don't you?

Where is the racist discrimination when we are issuing ID cards, passports, giving free medical care. etc., etc., to TCs?