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[shahmaran]

The T/Cs are as much Cypriots as any other Cypriot .
The vast majority of T/Cs consider their homeland to be Cyprus not Turkey .It takes two to tango its time we got round to it and realize that only by embracing Cyprus as our only homeland can save this island from permanent division.

100% Agreed

Unfortunately the vast majority of the population in the occupied areas is not TC.

which is why there should be no TRNC

Why not?

It is a Republic, it is "Turkish" and it is in the North, what is the problem?

[DT.]

The T/Cs are as much Cypriots as any other Cypriot .
The vast majority of T/Cs consider their homeland to be Cyprus not Turkey .It takes two to tango its time we got round to it and realize that only by embracing Cyprus as our only homeland can save this island from permanent division.

100% Agreed

Unfortunately the vast majority of the population in the occupied areas is not TC.

which is why there should be no TRNC

Why not?

It is a Republic, it is "Turkish" and it is in the North, what is the problem?

It is a Republic

the definition of republic is

"a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them."

You are not a state that belongs to the family of states of the UN. Supreme power does not rest in a body of citizens but rather in a council in Ankara.

it is "Turkish

Britain annexed Cyprus from Turkey in 1914. Ever since then no part of Cyprus has ever belonged to Turkey.

You're right about the occupied area being in the north though. I don't really have a response to that.

[shahmaran]

Well according to the definition you posted, the people here do vote and we do have representatives chosen by us, making us a republic.

So what now?

[DT.]

Well according to the definition you posted, the people here do vote and we do have representatives chosen by us, making us a republic.

So what now?

the key word in that definition is supreme power. Do you believe the TC citizens have supreme power in the occupied areas?

[shahmaran]

Well according to the definition you posted, the people here do vote and we do have representatives chosen by us, making us a republic.

So what now?

the key word in that definition is supreme power. Do you believe the TC citizens have supreme power in the occupied areas?

I think you are turning that into the "key word"

But either way it is open for debate.

What would be different here, if we had the "supreme power" as you imagined?

Apart from the settlers issue!

[Nikitas]

Shah, the settlers are THE issue.

I am surprised that you cannot appreciate the difference between the two CYPRIOT communities working out a deal by themselves and the effect the presence of settlers has on any negotiation. It shows a unique inabiity to see the other side's point of view and how some of their fears and preoccupations can work to your advantage.

It is easy to agree to a 70-30 territory deal, and a 50-50 government arrangement if there is a guarantee that the other side is made up of Cypriots and no one else. As soon as you introduce settlers the deal takes on a whole different character. You must be able to see that, it is not a delicate nuance, it is a whacking great big wart in the face.

[Piratis]

Well according to the definition you posted, the people here do vote and we do have representatives chosen by us, making us a republic.

So what now?

the key word in that definition is supreme power. Do you believe the TC citizens have supreme power in the occupied areas?

I think you are turning that into the "key word"

But either way it is open for debate.

What would be different here, if we had the "supreme power" as you imagined?

Apart from the settlers issue!

The difference would be who is the illegal occupier, since the 100% of the island of Cyprus belongs to the Republic of Cyprus and the majority of all parts of Cyprus are Greek Cypriots.

We all know that racists like you support ethnic cleansing as a way to get what you want, but such kind of racist actions can not be accepted in the 21st century.

We are not living at the time of the Ottomans anymore. Back in those times you managed to commit several genocides and Turkify a lot of lands in Asia Minor. But it is too late to do this in Cyprus. (The British might have a lot of blame for creating the problem in Cyprus, but at least with annexing Cyprus from the Ottomans the saved the Christian population here, otherwise a genocide against us would have happened like it did with all territories under Ottoman rule which didn't manage to gain their freedom from the Turks)

[shahmaran]

Well speak for yourself Piratis, as I do not believe you support an opinion that could really begin with "we all know"

And please don't thrash the thread with your classic crap, lets move on from all that as you will not get anywhere with it.

I know you like being the broken record, but I really hate repeating myself, you cannot claim anything with a distorted history, everything you build on it is nothing but fallible and emotional interpretation of the past..

How do you expect to be taken seriously?

[Piratis]

What I say is accurate, which is why you don't like it.

Who in here doesn't know that you support the "trnc", which is an illegal entity which was created by means of ethnic cleansing? Of course "we all know", you made it obvious. If I had any doubts about your support to the ethnic cleansing and the resulting "trnc" then I would ask you to clarify. But you already made very clear your views on this issue.

[EPSILON]

The T/Cs are as much Cypriots as any other Cypriot .
The vast majority of T/Cs consider their homeland to be Cyprus not Turkey .It takes two to tango its time we got round to it and realize that only by embracing Cyprus as our only homeland can save this island from permanent division.

100% Agreed

Unfortunately the vast majority of the population in the occupied areas is not TC.

which is why there should be no TRNC

Why not?

It is a Republic, it is "Turkish" and it is in the North, what is the problem?

It should be named Turkish South expenditure project.