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[Piratis]

You (personally) support the ethnic cleansing and the indiscriminate human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people just because they are Greek Cypriot, and then you say you are not racist?

I am blaming you for the racist actions you support. Did you see me ever blame Kikapu for the actions of the Turkish Army, the Turkish government of the TC leadership? Never. Because Kikapu, and many other TCs like him, do not support those racist, criminal, illegal actions. They instead openly condemn them. Just like I also condemn any criminal actions against innocent TCs, I condemn the actions of EOKA B and the actions of the cupists.

If I was a racist as you claim, then I would hate and blame every Turkish person just because he is Turkish. But I do not. I blame only the racist like you who support things like racist discrimination, segregation, ethnic cleansing and such grossly racist actions! (then again there are also the uneducated masses who are brainwashed to accept these criminal racist actions as normal. But you claim that you are smart and educated, so you can't have that excuse)

If I was a racist then I would hate anybody who is not Greek or Cypriot. But no, my wife is foreign, I have friends from all kinds of races, I lived in the same dorm room with blacks and Indians and I have friends of every kind of race.

So get your facts straight. I blame you (personally) and racist people like you, because you are the kind of people who were used by the Imperialists in order to divide our island. They told you that you could gain from segregation and racist discriminations and you went along with such racist things because it suited you. They told you that you can have a separate Turkish state in Cyprus by annihilating the 80% of the native population from half of the island, and you thought it was a great idea. Even today you want a "solution" that will be based on segregation and racist discriminations. YOU (personally and people like you) are the racists and the problem of this island.

That is the problem Piratis, you are not even aware of it.

I support nothing but my right to my existence on my own country, not as a minority under some ethnic hegemony but as a free Cypriot which is what I am.

You cannot hijack my identity and then claim that I should live under what YOU think Cyprus is, which you have obtained through violent means.

If you claim autonomy over the island by force then so shall we.

You are racist because you are in denial of these facts and blinded by the imaginary reality that the island is Greek and that you are the rightful owners and that the violence you portray is somehow justified as opposed to ours.

That is not how it works my friends.

The ones who rule the island by force are non else but the Turks. Right from the very begging when they first came to our island up until today.

What we want is freedom and democracy for our island, and you as an equal citizen can have the 100% of your individual human rights, and your one vote just like every other citizen when decisions are taken.

What you have no right for is to forcefully decide what Cyprus is and what isn't, or what Cyprus can or can't do. You are not the Ottoman rulers of Cyprus anymore

If you don't like it that you are an ethnic minority on this island, in the same way that similar ethnic minorities exist in other parts that the Ottomans occupied, then you should blame your ancestors from bringing you here, not blaming us for wanting democracy.

Cyprus has its own unique identity, which is in fact mostly Greek. Greeks are the vast majority of the population and this has been the case for 1000s of years. Nobody denies the elements in our identity which are introduced by non-Greeks. Our identity has been influenced by many others and we fully respect this and we are not trying to change it in any way (in fact the same has happened in mainland Greece and the other Greek islands).

So we are not trying to change anything in our identity. We want Cyprus and Cypriots to be allowed to be what it really is, and this holds true for your community as well, who should be free to maintain and enjoy their unique characteristics, religion and language (something which Turkey did not allow to its own minorities)

It is you who is trying to change what Cyprus is by imposing your will by force, and by using means such as ethnic cleansing, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage and trying to falsify our history. Such actions are the best examples of racism, and your inability to accept the mostly Greek influences in the identity of this island is yet another example of your racism against anything Greek not allowing you to see the truth.

[shahmaran]

If it is us who is imposing our will by force then why the fuck did you have to murdered so many innocent people while oppressing us by gun point for so many years?

You are the one who is fueling ethnic differences not us.

And this has nothing to do with the Ottoman's!!

If you don't like the fact that we also have a right over this land, just as you do, then you are welcome to go live elsewhere!

[Piratis]

If it is us who is imposing our will by force then why the fuck did you have to murdered so many innocent people while oppressing us by gun point for so many years?

You started the conflict exactly because you wanted to impose your will by force and have disproportionally large gains on our expense, and you could not accept that Cypriots had the right to peacefully and democratically decide what they want for their own island.

You murdered innocent people as well and you are the ones who started the conflict where those innocent people from both sides died. Why do you insist on seeing only a small part of the story and not the whole of it?

You are the one who is fueling ethnic differences not us.

And this has nothing to do with the Ottoman's!!

Sorry, but you are wrong in both. The Ottomans are the ones who initially divided the population into Muslim and Christian. This is a division which not only you want to maintain, but which you want to increase by segregating and dividing the Cypriot people as much as possible.
This is a policy your leadership (TMT) started from the 1950s along with the partition plan. Until that time most TCs spoke Greek, some of them had Greek as their first language, and people were often following the religious festivities of the other community. But when the partition plan came along, TMT prohibited from TCs to speak Greek and it forced them to start segregating themselves from the rest of the population.

If you don't like the fact that we also have a right over this land, just as you do, then you are welcome to go live elsewhere!

On the contrary I fully support that you (personally) and each TC has exactly the same rights over this land just as me and every other Cypriot,

It is you who want to divide people based on their religion and language and create inequalities so that the TCs can have gains on the expense of every other Cypriot.

One good example to this is the 30% civil service positions (the most sought after positions in Cyprus) given to TCs in the 1960 agreements that Makarios was blackmailed to accept. (Here we are talking about secretaries and other usual employees, not ministers and such).

So if there are 10.000 civil servant jobs in Cyprus, 100.000 TCs would get 3000 of them which means 1 position for every 33 TCs), while the rest 500.000 of Cypriots would have to share the remaining 7000 jobs, which means 1 position for every 70 people! And this is just one example. And now you want even more segregation, even more racist discriminations and even more gains on our expense!

[shahmaran]

You always fall for the same mistake Piratis, the mistake of thinking that this is YOUR island, when it is not, it is ours and unification with Greece is totally against us and we have every right to refuse, this has nothing to do with numbers.

If we have been living here together for 500 years, that means this is not YOUR island, never was.

Everything else you build on top of your classic delusion, is nothing but a pile of shit that can easily be disregarded.

[Sotos]

, the mistake of thinking that this is YOUR island, when it is not, it is ours

Cyprus is as much yours as South Africa is to the White people. The only thing that is left is for justice for Cyprus like it was justice for South Africa.

[Sotos]

If we have been living here together for 500 years, that means this is not YOUR island, never was.

Your Ottoman remnants are in Bulgaria for longer. So it means Bulgaria is also yours?

[shahmaran]

If we have been living here together for 500 years, that means this is not YOUR island, never was.

Your Ottoman remnants are in Bulgaria for longer. So it means Bulgaria is also yours?

Well South Africa is unfortunately owned by white people, who can disaggree?

Also Bulgarian Muslims do not consider themselves to be from Turkey, nor they are viewed as so, except the odd racist moron such as yourself who would also exist there as well.

Do you have a point or are you just going flood the thread with your usual ignorant oral diarrhea?

[Sotos]

Well South Africa is unfortunately owned by white people, who can disaggree?

At least there is democracy now. In Cyprus we still have to win our struggle against the Turks to achieve this!

Also Bulgarian Muslims do not consider themselves to be from Turkey, nor they are viewed as so, except the odd racist moron such as yourself who would also exist there as well.

And you consider yourselves to be from Turkey? Turkey was created in 1923. When did you came from Turkey to Cyprus? Why don't you go back to your homeland and let us to be free on our island? Enough problems you have caused to us already!

[shahmaran]

Well South Africa is unfortunately owned by white people, who can disaggree?

At least there is democracy now. In Cyprus we still have to win our struggle against the Turks to achieve this!

Also Bulgarian Muslims do not consider themselves to be from Turkey, nor they are viewed as so, except the odd racist moron such as yourself who would also exist there as well.

And you consider yourselves to be from Turkey? Turkey was created in 1923. When did you came from Turkey to Cyprus? Why don't you go back to your homeland and let us to be free on our island? Enough problems you have caused to us already!

I never "came" from Turkey, my family has been from here for many generations, more than I can actually go back and find, but people like you somehow decide that I am from Turkey, as did the fascist generals who massacred the leftovers of the Ottoman Empire in former Yugoslavia, none of them considered themselves to be from Turkey but they got killed anyways.

You hold the exact same mentality as they do.

Plus stop pretending that your "struggle" is with Turkey, they are just a tool, your problem is here with us, and the fact that you claim us to be from Turkey and the island to be Greek.

[Sotos]

This guy changes position faster than windshield wipers Didn't a moment ago say that the minority in Bulgaria are Bulgarian Muslims and not from Turkey like the TCs are? Otherwise why don't you also call yourselves Muslim Cypriots? Call yourselves whatever you want. I don't care. Just stop oppressing my island. Stop invading us and stop bringing your settlers here. Our problem is with Turkey. You and the newer settlers are brought here by decisions of Ottomans and Turkish leadership after invasions. And they use you to control our island and not allow freedom and democracy. Turkish expansionism is the problem of Cyprus.