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[shahmaran]

I have said everything I had to say about that document and how you clearly not have read any of it, in the original thread.

It is a very critical point in the chain of events which you seem to insist that it was us who started everything, when it clearly was not and the population was in decline way before that.

The people who live here know that people were already immigrating before the 60's due to racist discrimination's that were a burden on their economical and social well being.

TC's were not able to conduct healthy business, we as a family got our fair share from this.

The population growth was way too low for a healthy population and more importantly the TC took no part in the collection of the data and the document it self states that the numbers for the North are FAR from accurate.

THIS is your idea of a "credible" document!

I will not repeat myself anymore as it is truly boring to do so, if you really want you can go fetch the original thread.

I have nothing more to say on this.

[Piratis]

shahmaran is blind to the truth because he was taught that Greek Cypriots are "evil" and TCs are the "innocent victims". He has to believe that this fairy tale is true, otherwise he can not excuse the illegal occupation of Cyprus today and the human rights violations that are committed against 100s of thousands of innocent people.

The truth is that Cypriots (GCs, TCs and all others) were victims of the Imperialism of UK and Turkey, who used the Turkish Cypriot minority as their pawns in order to divide and rule Cyprus, and maintain in this way large military bases on our island, and the control of Cyprus.

The way UK and Turkey used the TC minority was by promising to them disproportionally large power, and their own state on land that belongs by 80% to GCs. Unfortunately humans are greedy by nature (imperialists knew this) and therefore the TCs were unable to overcome their greediness and realize that the disproportionally large powers offered to them by the imperialists (on the expense of the majority of Cypriots), powers which no other minority in the whole world has, were something unfair. When partition was offered to them (since the 50s), again they didn't see the obvious problem of trying to create some Turkish state on land where the vast majority of the population are Greek Cypriots. The TCs were used by the Imperialists and turned against GCs, and the rest is history.

The result is that all Cypriots suffered and continue to suffer, while the Imperialists got what they wanted from our island.

[Piratis]

It is a very critical point in the chain of events which you seem to insist that it was us who started everything, when it clearly was not and the population was in decline way before that.

Again, how is any population growth or decline during British Rule - before any inter-communal conflict, linked to Greek Cypriots??? We were not the ones who ruled Cyprus at that time, and there was no conflict to physically harm you. If you want to blame somebody for the migration at those times blame the foreign rulers (not just the British, but the ones before them as well), who exploited Cyprus for their own benefit leaving Cyprus a poor island where many people could not survive and they were forced to emigrate. You think this was a problem only of TCs? And your hate against GCs is so great that you blame the GCs even for things we have nothing to do with us?

If we are going to talk about population growth in Cyprus while under foreign rulers, then maybe we should also talk about the population growth of native Cypriots under Ottoman rule? In another thread some months ago I showed how the population of native Cypriots during the 300+ years of Ottoman rule had actually declined. During those 3 centuries the population should have at least doubled or tripled, but it didn't. It declined. (if the Ottoman records are correct)

So lets not bring irrelevant issues here. While you can actually be linked to the Ottomans and their actions during their rule, there is no way you can blame us for the actions of the British during their rule. If you have any complaints for that era direct them to the British, not to us.

[Piratis]

The population growth was way too low for a healthy population and more importantly the TC took no part in the collection of the data and the document it self states that the numbers for the North are FAR from accurate.

1) The population growth was the same for both communities. So if it was too low, it was too low for both.

2) That data is for 1960 - 1974. There was no "North" at that time.

And since we are talking about population growth, here is another note from that document:

It should be noted that as a result of the Turkish invasion, the total population declined considerably, and only in 1982 exceeded the figure from 1974.

[shahmaran]

The population growth was way too low for a healthy population and more importantly the TC took no part in the collection of the data and the document it self states that the numbers for the North are FAR from accurate.

1) The population growth was the same for both communities. So if it was too low, it was too low for both.

2) That data is for 1960 - 1974. There was no "North" at that time.

And since we are talking about population growth, here is another note from that document:

It should be noted that as a result of the Turkish invasion, the total population declined considerably, and only in 1982 exceeded the figure from 1974.

I see you are still holding on to that shit document for your life Piratis.

First of all Piratis, I know you love to swiftly push people to the "brainwashed through faulty education" section as soon as they oppose your delusive historical facts, but I assure you I have been through many forms of education as I have spent most of my life travelling.

Neither of them were bias towards Turkish propaganda as they had no reason to be!

Now I know that is a very large and bitter fact for you to swallow at once but I suggest you take it in small portions.

The document mentions that there is no real count of the TC population, probably because they were all unreachable in the enclaves for the past 11 years fearing for their lives and surviving off UN food, therefore making it a VERY faulty report, don't know why anyone would go a head with such one sided research and more importantly don't know which moron would still insist on using it as a proof for anything.

You are beyond help Piratis.

[DT.]

The population growth was way too low for a healthy population and more importantly the TC took no part in the collection of the data and the document it self states that the numbers for the North are FAR from accurate.

1) The population growth was the same for both communities. So if it was too low, it was too low for both.

2) That data is for 1960 - 1974. There was no "North" at that time.

And since we are talking about population growth, here is another note from that document:

It should be noted that as a result of the Turkish invasion, the total population declined considerably, and only in 1982 exceeded the figure from 1974.

I see you are still grasping to that shit document for your life Piratis.

First of all Piratis, I know you love to swiftly push people to the "brainwashed through faulty education" section as soon as they oppose your delusive historical facts, but I assure you I have been through many forms of education as I have spent most of my life travelling.

Neither of them were bias towards Turkish propaganda as they had no reason to be!

Now I know that is a very large and bitter fact for you to swallow at once but I suggest you take it in small portions.

The document mentions that there is no real count of the TC population, probably because they were all unreachable in the enclaves for the past 11 years fearing for their lives and surviving off UN food, therefore making it a VERY faulty report, don't know why anyone would go a head with such one sided research and more importantly don't know which moron would still insist on using it as a proof for anything.

You are beyond help Piratis.

How big was the area of Cyprus that thes enclaves covered Shah? I'm also interested in your point regarding surviving on UN food. Did TC's in 1970-71-72-73 really survive on UN food? Would they have starved if the UN did not send food?

[shahmaran]

I don't know whether you are being sarcastic or not DT, but I'll take it up on good faith.

So I can speak for Lefke and say that it was totally isolated from all sides as all the surrounding areas were all GC, so there was no way in or out for many.

The only way out from the surrounding hills were through GC controlled areas and through their checkpoints.

And yes UN food was what they relied on for years, plus whatever they can grow obviously no much given the climate.

My grandfathers medical conditions had advanced so much due to the lack of help or supplies that he died shortly after, of course he is just one of many people who probably passed away from the dreadful conditions and neither of these go down on records as casualties and morons such as Piratis and Miltiades can brag about how not a single TC had died 6 years prior to the invasion.

What clowns!

[Piratis]

The population growth was way too low for a healthy population and more importantly the TC took no part in the collection of the data and the document it self states that the numbers for the North are FAR from accurate.

1) The population growth was the same for both communities. So if it was too low, it was too low for both.

2) That data is for 1960 - 1974. There was no "North" at that time.

And since we are talking about population growth, here is another note from that document:

It should be noted that as a result of the Turkish invasion, the total population declined considerably, and only in 1982 exceeded the figure from 1974.

I see you are still holding on to that shit document for your life Piratis.

First of all Piratis, I know you love to swiftly push people to the "brainwashed through faulty education" section as soon as they oppose your delusive historical facts, but I assure you I have been through many forms of education as I have spent most of my life travelling.

Neither of them were bias towards Turkish propaganda as they had no reason to be!

Now I know that is a very large and bitter fact for you to swallow at once but I suggest you take it in small portions.

The document mentions that there is no real count of the TC population, probably because they were all unreachable in the enclaves for the past 11 years fearing for their lives and surviving off UN food, therefore making it a VERY faulty report, don't know why anyone would go a head with such one sided research and more importantly don't know which moron would still insist on using it as a proof for anything.

You are beyond help Piratis.

That document is a report created by the Council of Europe.

If you had any real education the first thing you would have been taught is that you should provide references and evidence to support your claims. What you do however, is blindly follow the Turkish propaganda without providing even a single evidence, while discarding all the evidence that show the truth which you do not like.

And I would also like to know on which non Turkish educational institution you were taught about the recent history of Cyprus It is obvious that everything you think you know about the history of Cyprus comes from Turkish propaganda, and you refuse to accept anything that doesn't match what you were taught, even when the evidence and facts are irrefutable.

Also, the only problem with the count of the TC population is after 1974, not before, which is what is relevant in our argument:

It is practically impossible to obtain exact and reliable figures on the island's total population after the partition in July 1974.

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

[Piratis]

I don't know whether you are being sarcastic or not DT, but I'll take it up on good faith.

So I can speak for Lefke and say that it was totally isolated from all sides as all the surrounding areas were all GC, so there was no way in or out for many.

The only way out from the surrounding hills were through GC controlled areas and through their checkpoints.

And yes UN food was what they relied on for years, plus whatever they can grow obviously no much given the climate.

My grandfathers medical conditions had advanced so much due to the lack of help or supplies that he died shortly after, of course he is just one of many people who probably passed away from the dreadful conditions and neither of these go down on records as casualties and morons such as Piratis and Miltiades can brag about how not a single TC had died 6 years prior to the invasion.

What clowns!

And in the same way the Greek Cypriots who were living in areas mostly inhabited by TCs were also forced to leave. The TCs even forced the Armenian Cypriots out of their sector in Nicosia. Nobody said that everything was great back then. But you were not the only ones who had a problem. The fact is that the population of both communities continued to grow at the same rate (0.8%) between 1960 and 1974.

Another fact is that the armed conflict was over by 1968. But of course you want to blame us even when TCs died from natural causes! Your excuses for the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people are getting lamer and lamer.

And the most important issue you choose to ignore: None of these would have happened if it wasn't for the Turkish plan of partition. What came first was the plan of partition, and soon after the TCs started the inter-communal conflict. What you complain about is nothing more than the results of a conflict which you started with the aim of annihilating the majority of Cypriots from half of their homeland!

[shahmaran]

Yes "natural causes" Piratis, that is it.

You fucking ignorant asshole!

Cyprus will never be a real country until dickheads such as yourself all rot in hell!