shahmaran wrote:Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?
That's because your fabricated stories change constantly and the facts do not ....
If Piratis had a faulty argument, you should have rubbished it by now. The truth is hard to beat down, shah! I have not once seen you effectively counter Piratis ..... Perhaps it's time you stopped resisting the truth so hard, and listened. It could be the beginning of a long love affair with justice, truth, education, self-improvement, respect for rights; all those things sadly lacking whilst your soldiers point their guns to keep the rest of humanity out for you.
I have rubbished out his documents before Oracle, and that is as far as his argument goes.
But you are cleverly oblivious to any of that, or to any other proof I put before you, just like him you always come back with the same SHIT argument as if no one seems to talk apart from yourself.
I have so many reasons to believe that you are the same person it is ridiculous
You are the LAST person I would EVER have to listen to in order to learn about everything you have listed, you cannot possibly being to talk about such ideas, Oracle, they are seriously beyond you, much more further than you could possibly imagine.
You should be ashamed that a person half of your age is pointing this out to you, seriously
shahmaran wrote:Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?
That's because your fabricated stories change constantly and the facts do not ....
If Piratis had a faulty argument, you should have rubbished it by now. The truth is hard to beat down, shah! I have not once seen you effectively counter Piratis ..... Perhaps it's time you stopped resisting the truth so hard, and listened. It could be the beginning of a long love affair with justice, truth, education, self-improvement, respect for rights; all those things sadly lacking whilst your soldiers point their guns to keep the rest of humanity out for you.
I have rubbished out his documents before Oracle, and that is as far as his argument goes.
But you are cleverly oblivious to any of that, or to any other proof I put before you, just like him you always come back with the same SHIT argument as if no one seems to talk apart from yourself.
I have so many reasons to believe that you are the same person it is ridiculous
You are the LAST person I would EVER have to listen to in order to learn about everything you have listed, you cannot possibly being to talk about such ideas, Oracle, they are seriously beyond you, much more further than you could possibly imagine.
You should be ashamed that a person half of your age is pointing this out to you, seriously
You are perhaps a tenth my mental age ... but as for the rest, dream on!
Rubbishing Piratis' points or any other GCs' is not about you shouting "racist" to everything from the "safety" of your ethnically-cleansed, racially segregated Turkish troop gun-toting fortress! But then you don't understand much .... at your (mental) age!
It was done through documents but of course you ignored it then, you ignored it when we spoke about it after, and you are ignoring it right now and you will probably ignore it all the way to your grave as anything a little outside your "truth" is way too much to handle for you
Which does tell a LOT about your mental age and for your real age, I am not sure whether they were wrinkles or blurs of the bad photograph, I just assumed you are double my age since you got kids and all, but I can tell you one thing and that is your bioillogical age is definitely sky high!
I have rubbished out his documents before Oracle, and that is as far as his argument goes.
When did this happen? In your dream?
Yes, I do repeat certain things because they are nothing but the truth which you can not refute.
So, I will repeat them here again, just so for once again I will exhibitit your total inability to counter the truth.
(1) In the 1950s Turkey and TCs created their partition plan (the annihilation of most Cypriots from the north part of Cyprus, their replacement with foreign Turkish Settlers and the declaration of a Turkish state on the stolen land). Soon after they collaborated with the British Colonialists, attacked the Greek Cypriots and started the inter-communal conflict.
First came the plan for the partition of Cyprus (created by the imperialists Turkey and UK) and soon after the TCs started the inter-communal conflict in order to put their partition plan in action.
Now, show me where you refuted these facts? Give us the link. I bet you can't. (unless you invented a technology that can link to your wet dreams )
(2) The Turkish propaganda claims that in 1974 Turkey invaded to "save" the TCs who were supposedly being killed. The fact is that no such killing happened in 1974 before the Turkish invasion. The invasion started on the morning of 20th of July 1974. Show me where you have refuted this fact.
The conclusion is that what came first was the Turkish plan for the partition of Cyprus and the extermination of the majority of Cypriots from the north part of their homeland. Both the inter-communal conflict (1958-1968) and the Turkish invasion (1974) where made by the Turks and TCs in order realize their aim of partition.
The Turks continue to have the same aim today as well. Even the "unification" plans they are negotiating, they are trying to make them as divisive and problematic as possible, so they will force them to collapse, thinking that this will lead them to an official and final partition, the realization of their dream which they are working on it non-stop since the 1950s.
Here is what İlter Türkmen said (from the link that Sotos gave in the first post):
Türkmen, saying that he supported the Annan plan, voiced the opinion, “The Annan Plan had various flaws and was difficult to implement. If the plan could have been shown to be unworkable our basic aim of two states could have been achieved more easily, because it would have been necessary to find a formula within the EU. Just as Czechoslovakia was divided into two it would have been possible to divide Cyprus into two separate states.
So Turkey and TCs supported the Annan plan not because it was a good plan that could lead into a fair and functional country, but on the contrary they supported it because it was flawed and difficult to implement, which would make it easier for them to show that is unworkable, and in this way achieve their basic aim, the partition of Cyprus.
I have gone over your documents and proved what an idiot you are simply by quoting from them, you are not even capable of reading your own shit thoroughly to see that they are far from being, as you had put it, "very true"
You were trying to prove that the TC population was not actually on the decline before the conflicts, as you were claiming, we were getting along just fine when we were obviously not and people were immigrating from the early 50's.
This means Cyprus was being made hell for many long before the conflicts broke out, as you suggest it was us who started it, when we were already immigrating due to your racist intolerance.
So no it was not us who started "it" and from then on your shitty propaganda story just falls apart from its foundations.
You cannot change history by relentless repetition of faulty crap Piratis.
I hate arguing with you, not because you actually have any solid arguments to counter (you are far from it) but because, unlike you, I absolutely hate repeating myself and that's what arguing with you is ALL about, fucking dull and pointless.
Hopefully soon you will die and Cyprus will be able to move on, and when I say you, I mean people like you who hold us back so don't take it personal!
shahmaran wrote:Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?
And what are you is bum-chum?
idiot..
Ok lets try it otherway. lets say that Germans decide to rename their country or even worst to unite their country with France. The Turks staying in Germany do not agree and start to provoke Germans plans , using even bombs and arms. Then you can easily understand what will happen to Turks of Germany.Maybe by this way you can understand what about we are speaking here and what was the first page of this so called Cyprus problem.
That is a bad analogy Epsilon as it states that we are nothing but 500 year old "immigrants" over here, which is other crap.
Try telling the blacks or the Irısh of the US that they are nothing but "immigrants".
It sounds pretty stupid now doesn't it?
...but by your example Shah, it is just as ridiculous to imagine that Americans do not exist because there are black-americans or irish-americans.
I have gone over your documents and proved what an idiot you are simply by quoting from them, you are not even capable of reading your own shit thoroughly to see that they are far from being, as you had put it, "very true"
You were trying to prove that the TC population was not actually on the decline before the conflicts, as you were claiming, we were getting along just fine when we were obviously not and people were immigrating from the early 50's.
This means Cyprus was being made hell for many long before the conflicts broke out, as you suggest it was us who started it, when we were already immigrating due to your racist intolerance.
So no it was not us who started "it" and from then on your shitty propaganda story just falls apart from its foundations.
You cannot change history by relentless repetition of faulty crap Piratis.
I hate arguing with you, not because you actually have any solid arguments to counter (you are far from it) but because, unlike you, I absolutely hate repeating myself and that's what arguing with you is ALL about, fucking dull and pointless.
Hopefully soon you will die and Cyprus will be able to move on, and when I say you, I mean people like you who hold us back so don't take it personal!
This is a perfect example of how you always fail to refute Piratis' summary of facts relating to the modern history of Cyprus ....
1. You swear.
2. You claim to have disputed the documentary evidence when clearly you haven't.
3. You make an unconnected wild accusation without evidence.
4. You conclude the GCs are 'racists' (from your unsound premise).
5. You hysterically accuse others of propaganda.
6. You say the information is faulty, having contributed nothing to disprove it.
7. You become personal, insulting and threatening.
8. You end with a laughing emoticon.
Yup ... if there is one pointless, crap-talking repetitious bore ... it is you shah ... and whilst yet so 'young' (supposedly ).
shahmaran wrote:Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?
And what are you is bum-chum?
idiot..
Ok lets try it otherway. lets say that Germans decide to rename their country or even worst to unite their country with France. The Turks staying in Germany do not agree and start to provoke Germans plans , using even bombs and arms. Then you can easily understand what will happen to Turks of Germany.Maybe by this way you can understand what about we are speaking here and what was the first page of this so called Cyprus problem.
That is a bad analogy Epsilon as it states that we are nothing but 500 year old "immigrants" over here, which is other crap.
Try telling the blacks or the Irısh of the US that they are nothing but "immigrants".
It sounds pretty stupid now doesn't it?
...but by your example Shah, it is just as ridiculous to imagine that Americans do not exist because there are black-americans or irish-americans.
Well if we must go that way then one can suggest that the white men are also "immigrants" in the US and that the indigenous Americans have every right to treat them as second class, kick them out or maybe even decide to join up with other South American nations without needing their consent?
Now that would be some sight
So lets just ditch the silly analogies and talk right out, Repulse.
Do you seriously believe that Enosis was their right and that we were wrong to blow the party?
Also please explain why.
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I have gone over your documents and proved what an idiot you are simply by quoting from them, you are not even capable of reading your own shit thoroughly to see that they are far from being, as you had put it, "very true"
You were trying to prove that the TC population was not actually on the decline before the conflicts, as you were claiming, we were getting along just fine when we were obviously not and people were immigrating from the early 50's.
This means Cyprus was being made hell for many long before the conflicts broke out, as you suggest it was us who started it, when we were already immigrating due to your racist intolerance.
So no it was not us who started "it" and from then on your shitty propaganda story just falls apart from its foundations.
You cannot change history by relentless repetition of faulty crap Piratis.
I hate arguing with you, not because you actually have any solid arguments to counter (you are far from it) but because, unlike you, I absolutely hate repeating myself and that's what arguing with you is ALL about, fucking dull and pointless.
Hopefully soon you will die and Cyprus will be able to move on, and when I say you, I mean people like you who hold us back so don't take it personal!
This is a perfect example of how you always fail to refute Piratis' summary of facts relating to the modern history of Cyprus ....
1. You swear. 2. You claim to have disputed the documentary evidence when clearly you haven't. 3. You make an unconnected wild accusation without evidence. 4. You conclude the GCs are 'racists' (from your unsound premise). 5. You hysterically accuse others of propaganda. 6. You say the information is faulty, having contributed nothing to disprove it. 7. You become personal, insulting and threatening. 8. You end with a laughing emoticon.
Yup ... if there is one pointless, crap-talking repetitious bore ... it is you shah ... and whilst yet so 'young' (supposedly ).
Well I have just answered the when and how, yet as usual you fail to read or chose to ignore Oracle.
You can't just blame me for things if you are not going to bother comprehending anything I say.
You portray awfully similar patterns of discussion as that "man"
Plus what is wrong with smileys, they are dam useful
I have gone over your documents and proved what an idiot you are simply by quoting from them, you are not even capable of reading your own shit thoroughly to see that they are far from being, as you had put it, "very true"
You were trying to prove that the TC population was not actually on the decline before the conflicts, as you were claiming, we were getting along just fine when we were obviously not and people were immigrating from the early 50's.
This means Cyprus was being made hell for many long before the conflicts broke out, as you suggest it was us who started it, when we were already immigrating due to your racist intolerance.
So no it was not us who started "it" and from then on your shitty propaganda story just falls apart from its foundations.
You cannot change history by relentless repetition of faulty crap Piratis.
I hate arguing with you, not because you actually have any solid arguments to counter (you are far from it) but because, unlike you, I absolutely hate repeating myself and that's what arguing with you is ALL about, fucking dull and pointless.
Hopefully soon you will die and Cyprus will be able to move on, and when I say you, I mean people like you who hold us back so don't take it personal!
So basically you are unable to dispute even a single thing from what I actually say, and you have never done so (I challenged you to give a link, which of course you didn't).
Instead you make an irrelevant to what I ever said argument:
You were trying to prove that the TC population was not actually on the decline before the conflicts, as you were claiming, we were getting along just fine when we were obviously not and people were immigrating from the early 50's.
No mate, what I claimed and provided evidence for (something which you never do) is not what happened "before the conflicts" in the 50s, but what happened from 1960 until 1974. During this time the facts show that the population growth (not decline) of both communities was the same, around 0.8%.
An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.
Beyond this, what happened in the early 50s before the conflicts started, how could it be linked to Greek Cypriots in any way? You give absolutely no evidence that in that time the TCs emigrated abroad in larger numbers than the GCs (all kinds of Cypriots emigrated at those times due to poverty) but even if that was the case, how is this linked to GCs in any way? The rulers where the British and we are talking about a time before you attacked us and started the inter-communal conflict. There was no conflict, so no physical harm, and the ones who ruled Cyprus were the British, so even if we wanted (which we didn't) we wouldn't be able to harm you in any other way.
So:
(1) You are not able to counter the facts that I actually give. Now this is confirmed.
(2) You imagine arguments I never made (about population growth of TCs in early 50s before the conflict), and you try to counter those.
(3) Even your arguments (which are unrelated to mine) prove nothing against Greek Cypriots.
The only thing that you can show against GCs is that we fought in the wars and conflicts that Turks and TCs started. Yes, after you initiated conflicts and wars against us, we fought in those conflicts and caused casualties and suffering to you as well (but nowhere near the amount of casualties and suffering you caused to us. Obviously before you decided to start the conflicts and wars you did the math and decided that you will have a "net gain" - i.e. you would kill more of us, and cause more suffering to us, than what we would be able to return to you)
