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[Tim Drayton]

The quote is from İlter Türkmen who is a Turkish diplomat. At that time the policy of Turkey was to repatriate the Turks of Cyprus back to Turkey. They didn't call them "Turkish Cypriots" back then. If all "Turks of Cyprus" were repatriated to Turkey we wouldn't have any problems today. Or even if they stayed and they accepted democracy again we wouldn't have any problem. The root of the Cyprus problem is Turkey using their Settlers to expand against Cyprus by not allowing democracy and freedom to Cyprus.

The history of Cyprus could have taken a very different course. But it didn't. Turkish Cypriots were given the option of acquiring citizenship of the new Turkish state and leaving. They were even urged to do so by Turkey. However, a mere 8000 Turkish Cypriots did so. The remainder opted to remain on the island as British citizens. This makes them equally legitimate citizens of the post-colonial state as anybody else.

[Piratis]

The Cypriot people never had any problem with having in Cyprus a Turkish minority. TCs are not the only minority on this island, and we never had any problems with any of the other minorities.

All conflicts between the Cypriot people and the Turks or the TC minority where in fact initiated by the Turks and TCs, exactly because they did not accept a free and democratic Cyprus and they instead wanted to impose their will by force. This is something which continues today.

Partition was not the result of the inter-communal conflict. On the contrary, the inter-communal conflict and the Turkish invasion were a result of the Turkish plan for partition, a plan they created in the 1950s, before any conflict, and they are trying to implement since then. If there was no such plan, there would be no conflict and no war, because as I said the Cypriot people never had a problem with having a TC minority on the island.

The TC minority was used by foreign imperialists (UK/Turkey) as a way to divide and rule Cyprus, and have parts of our island under their control and maintain their troops here. Both UK and Turkey on several occasions have said on how important for their strategic interests Cyprus is. For both UK and Turkey the territory they control in Cyprus is the largest they have outside the borders of their own countries since the time their empires collapsed. In effect parts of Cyprus are one of the last places in the world still under colonial rule.

If it wasn't for the interests of UK and Turkey there wouldn't be any conflicts to begin with. After the era of colonialism was over, Cypriots would have been allowed to peacefully and democratically choose what they want to do with their island among legitimate options:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

Most probably Cypriots would have chosen for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic and we would all continue to live in Cyprus in peace, but now as equal citizens of a democratic Republic we choose to belong, and not as subjects of some foreign empire which was imposed on us by force, as it was the case when Cyprus was part of the British or Ottoman empires.

Therefore blaming the Cypriots for the conflicts is absolutely wrong. The Cypriot people never invaded anybody else, nor they ever initiated any conflict against any minority. The conflicts and wars were initiated by UK/Turkey using the TC minority as their pawns, and this is a historical fact.

[shahmaran]

So says Piratis so it must be true

[GeorgeV97qaue]

So says Piratis so it must be true

Typical of you shahmaran when you quoted the truth you make a smart comment.

Fact TC's started the trouble between the two communitys. TC's sided with Britian in the 50's. TC's became the bitches of Britian.

The TC's then planted the bomb in Nicosia and killed their own people only to blame the GC's.

So stop spouting your crap about us being rasist. You are the racists not us. You start the trouble and when we defended ourselves you say your persicuted you.

If we are so bad why have so many real Tc's left the north and gone to pastures new.

Get your fact striaght twat.

[shahmaran]

Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?

And what are you is bum-chum?











idiot..

[miltiades]

and what where the gcs guilty of when the truks came to cyprus killing over 20,000?

You should tie that to the factors who caused the Turkish army to come in in the first place.

Every time a village was raided by racist and violent Greek mobs Turkey had warned you, it is really stupid to claim that you did not see it coming.

Thanks to your racism many innocent people died on both sides.

Perhaps you may be more informed than others and can tell us how many villages were " raided" 6 years prior to the Turkish invasion or indeed how many victims during this period . I seem to recall that the Famagusta old town was being guarded by armed T/Cs whilst the T/Cs ventured out on a daily basis to attend to their tasks . G/Cs were not allowed to enter the old town.
The Grey Wolves were feared by the T/Cs , indeed many left Cyprus fearing for their lives having disobeyed commands by the GWs.
Back to the point raised now , how many villages " raided" ?

That is a dubious statement Miltiades.

Maybe no one was killed in those 6 years, this does not mean people were not regularly terrorized and left to rot in open prisons for a decade.

My own family members still remember your check-points.

My uncle was trapped in Nicosia and unable to return if he had not got some help from the UN, and even then an armed scuffle had to be overcome.

And what was waiting for them if the TA had not intervened?

Makarios or Sampson?

Which one is worse?

Im fully aware of the hardship experienced by many during this unfortunate era , I'm also aware that the extremists on both sides filled with hatred would act in an inhumane and vicious way. There is no justification for indiscriminate violence against a person because of his ethnicity or religion. I think we have moved on since those days .
The fact remains that the Grey wolves were just as ruthless as the EOKA B extremists , a lesson we must all take on board if peace and security will be established on a permanent basis on our island.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?

And what are you is bum-chum?

idiot..

I may be?

I never ever seen you post anything to apportion any balme on the TC's. We can all keep harping on about events in the past you do this we did that. This will not solve the cyprus problem that your community created.

You keep harping on about what we did in the 60's well you certainly made up for it in 1974.

So I guess what you did to the GC's really makes you proud raping girls as young as 10. Murdering sons, daughters, Fathers & mothers just so you could split the country in two.

Must make you so proud to be Turk?

[EPSILON]

Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?

And what are you is bum-chum?











idiot..

Ok lets try it otherway.
lets say that Germans decide to rename their country or even worst to unite their country with France. The Turks staying in Germany do not agree and start to provoke Germans plans , using even bombs and arms.
Then you can easily understand what will happen to Turks of Germany.Maybe by this way you can understand what about we are speaking here and what was the first page of this so called Cyprus problem.

[Oracle]

Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?

That's because your fabricated stories change constantly and the facts do not ....

If Piratis had a faulty argument, you should have rubbished it by now. The truth is hard to beat down, shah! I have not once seen you effectively counter Piratis ..... Perhaps it's time you stopped resisting the truth so hard, and listened. It could be the beginning of a long love affair with justice, truth, education, self-improvement, respect for rights; all those things sadly lacking whilst your soldiers point their guns to keep the rest of humanity out for you.

[shahmaran]

Typical of me or typical of Piratis to come back with the same rotten and faulty argument every single time, for years now?

And what are you is bum-chum?








idiot..

Ok lets try it otherway.
lets say that Germans decide to rename their country or even worst to unite their country with France. The Turks staying in Germany do not agree and start to provoke Germans plans , using even bombs and arms.
Then you can easily understand what will happen to Turks of Germany.Maybe by this way you can understand what about we are speaking here and what was the first page of this so called Cyprus problem.

That is a bad analogy Epsilon as it states that we are nothing but 500 year old "immigrants" over here, which is other crap.

Try telling the blacks or the Irısh of the US that they are nothing but "immigrants".

It sounds pretty stupid now doesn't it?