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[shahmaran]

So we have no army, but you have a HUGE army, plus the Greek army, and then we can "progress"?

I would hate to know what "progress" actually means

[The Cypriot]

So we have no army, but you have a HUGE army, plus the Greek army, and then we can "progress"?

We? I thought you were Cypriot? A Cypriot army, made up of Cypriots of all backgrounds, may not be a bad idea.

I would hate to know what "progress" actually means

Well you've regressed if 'we' for you means Turkey's army.

[shahmaran]

Cypriot, I do appreciate your hope and will to hold on to a united Cypriot identity, but unfortunately at the moment the reality is that Cyprus means GC's, and North Cyprus means TC's, as well as the fact that we each have mainland armies on our sides and we are all pointing our guns at each other.

Am I wrong?

So for you to emphasize the united Cypriot identity in the situation described above, does not really hold much water, that is a long way a head and pretty idealist given the current situation.

And for you to suggest that WE should drop our weapons is also pretty naive.

[Viewpoint]

So we should not accept your demand to dump our security? or uproot people people who were born here on the island and lived here all their lives??

Your security was meant to restore the island's independence and territorial integrity. It didn't. It is not fit for purpose. As for the settlers, their presence in Cyprus is a war crime and they wouldn't be an issue had your security been just that, rather than hanging around for 35 years. Some will have to go back, some will want or be encourage to migrate to other parts of the EU, and some will stay.

BBF with political equality of the 2 states, No Armies,

No Turkey's army and you may be making progress.

To restore the island's independence and territorial integrity you have to have agreement, a solution, a plan for the future...we are still not agreed on many fundamental issues. So in reality my security is still working like it has been keeping the peace for the last 35 years by acting as a deterrent to those fanatics that would easily cause a repeat of the problems we endured in the past.

I agree and I think you will find many TCs will that some settlers will go and some will stay, people of any origin that have been here for 35 years should not be kicked out, they are our people and we should embrace them. My opinion is anyone born here married to a TC f has resided here more than 10 years should stay, the rest can be given work/residency permits just like any other country.

I have always support demilitarization of the island no Turkish Greek or GC armies.

[The Cypriot]

Cypriot, I do appreciate your hope and will to hold on to a united Cypriot identity, but unfortunately at the moment the reality is that Cyprus means GC's, and North Cyprus means TC's, as well as the fact that we each have mainland armies on our sides and we are all pointing our guns at each other.

It's either hope and hold on or hate and give up.

Am I wrong?

You'd be wrong to hate and give up.

So for you to emphasize the united Cypriot identity in the situation described above, does not really hold much water, that is a long way a head and pretty idealist given the current situation.

It's my way of trying to help overcome the division of my ancestral homeland. If anyone comes up with a better way, I'll support it. I will never accept the division of Cyprus and its people. If that makes me an idealist then so be it. Only idealists keep partionists in check.

And for you to suggest that WE should drop our weapons is also pretty naive.

Naive works both ways, for you are suggesting Turkey's army should continue to have intervention rights in Cyprus.

Naive is what all Cypriots have been since the 1950s, allowing themselves to be manipulated and fall foul of foreign powers and local extremists. All suffer as a result.

At some point a leap of faith will be necessary. Faith in our shared Cypriot identity.

[The Cypriot]

Announcement on 'TRNC' website:

TALAT: BRITISH HIGH COURT DECISION CONSTRAINS TURKISH CYPRIOT PEOPLES RIGHT TO TRAVEL WHICH IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS

President Mehmet Ali Talat said the dismissal of the applications of Cyprus Turkish Airlines and CTA Holiday limited by British High Court with regard to lifting the ban on direct flights between the UK and the TRNC is a violation of Turkish Cypriots’ basic human rights to travel.

President Talat criticized the British Court which based its decision to UN Security Council’s decisions taken in 1983 and 1984 that called on member states not to recognize the TRNC.

Reminding the UN Former Secretary General Kofi Annan’s words used in the report issued after the 2004 referenda in May to the Security Council as “unnecessary restrictions and isolation imposed on Turkish Cypriot people should be lifted. This is not against to the UN Security Council decision” President Talat said British High Court didn’t take this very important point in the Annan Plan into consideration in its judgment.


The above, in bold, is untrue. The judge based his decision on Article 2 of the Treaty of Guarantee of the Republic of Cyprus in which the United Kingdom undertook to prohibit:

“Any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the island.”

Either Talat is deluded or he is deliberately trying to mislead the community he mis-leads.