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[Turan Tankgirl]

oh dear the expats on the north will be dissapointed
when will they ever learn that they live and holiday in an unrecognised state controlled by an illegal unrecognised goverment!!!

you could argue that its actually run by the turkey army and the mafia

talat really has no say the turkish cypritos have no say.. its basically a turkey number 2.. controlled by the recognised coverment of turkey just in directly

Why would you not answer my two simple questions about the rumors I heard about (a) Israeli based companies buying a 20% of the Mesaorai (?) plain of G/C's of course and (b) waiting for the Turkish waterpipe ? You scold me for a Turk whom I am not. Nor Greek am I and happely not a Inglishman or even a Macedonian. I am dutch and we bought recently a beautifull apt @ E Bitlis Caddesi in Gassmaoesa when we heard rumors (c) a huge Israel ferri with no less than 11 casino's on board will arrive every friday-night loaded with Israelies. I am a so called Dutch alivite, for 1/16 jew and my father learned me to follow the money. According to NRC Journal today Erdogan said last week 'money knows no religion, race and nationality' Imho he had to add icons, empty churches or mosques.


BTW We flew and fly this year from/to AMS/LCA/ECN with Malev, LOT and Pegasus for less than 200 € vice versa. If the British paid a lot more flying with TurkCypriot I say Ins'Allah let the T.R.N.C. a little bit more than exclusive. Next year in juni I will breakfast in the famous Anadolu Winehouse of the renovated former Constantia Hotel. Peacefull, quiet and for just a few guineas. The thought that KIBRIS will be UNUM plus the look at the enormous rowe of hotels full with tourists in one big row asking for a seat in the ANADOLU MEYHANESI ? No LOL

[anna-sh]

"It added the government had misunderstood the Chicago Convention and there was also no justification under international law for banning direct flights."

No bozo... the world understands it perfectly well except for a bunch of Turkish Cypriot spineless midgets hiding behind the Turkish military.

i see on the cyp44 they now want to appeal against the uk courts decision... they just dont get it do they!!

[Viewpoint]

"It added the government had misunderstood the Chicago Convention and there was also no justification under international law for banning direct flights."

No bozo... the world understands it perfectly well except for a bunch of Turkish Cypriot spineless midgets hiding behind the Turkish military.

i see on the cyp44 they now want to appeal against the uk courts decision... they just dont get it do they!!

Do they have a right to do that?

[Get Real!]

when we heard rumors (c) a huge Israel ferri with no less than 11 casino's on board will arrive every friday-night loaded with Israelies.

I hate to burst your tourist bubble but have a guess why they call them "Jews"!

[Get Real!]

"It added the government had misunderstood the Chicago Convention and there was also no justification under international law for banning direct flights."

No bozo... the world understands it perfectly well except for a bunch of Turkish Cypriot spineless midgets hiding behind the Turkish military.

i see on the cyp44 they now want to appeal against the uk courts decision... they just dont get it do they!!

No worries... that's one spineless midget who paid a very high price for information he could've gotten for free on my website!

[The Cypriot]

Some highlights from the Mr Justice Wyn Williams judgement....

13. On the ... 16 August 1960, the United Kingdom, Greece, Turkey and Cyprus were signatories to two Treaties, one of Guarantee and one of Establishment (numbered respectively 5475 and 5476). Under Article 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee the Republic of Cyprus undertook to ensure, inter alia, the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security. Under Article 2 Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertook to prohibit, so far as concerned them:

“Any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the island.”


90. In summary, I have reached the conclusion that a legal duty exists whereby the Government of the United Kingdom is obliged not to recognise the TRNC or its Government. Further the Government of the United Kingdom has consistently refused to recognise the TRNC. This court is obliged to refuse to give effect to the validity of acts carried out in a territory which is unrecognised unless the acts in question can properly be regarded as regulating the day to day affairs of the people within the territory in question and can properly be regarded as essentially private in character. I have reached the conclusion that the grant of the permits in this case would be a breach of the United Kingdom Government’s duty not to recognise the TRNC.

94. The claim must be dismissed.

[Kifeas]

Some highlights from the Mr Justice Wyn Williams judgement....

13. On the ... 16 August 1960, the United Kingdom, Greece, Turkey and Cyprus were signatories to two Treaties, one of Guarantee and one of Establishment (numbered respectively 5475 and 5476). Under Article 1 of the Treaty of Guarantee the Republic of Cyprus undertook to ensure, inter alia, the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security. Under Article 2 Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertook to prohibit, so far as concerned them:

“Any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the island.”


90. In summary, I have reached the conclusion that a legal duty exists whereby the Government of the United Kingdom is obliged not to recognise the TRNC or its Government. Further the Government of the United Kingdom has consistently refused to recognise the TRNC. This court is obliged to refuse to give effect to the validity of acts carried out in a territory which is unrecognised unless the acts in question can properly be regarded as regulating the day to day affairs of the people within the territory in question and can properly be regarded as essentially private in character. I have reached the conclusion that the grant of the permits in this case would be a breach of the United Kingdom Government’s duty not to recognise the TRNC.

94. The claim must be dismissed.

any links to the rulling?

[The Cypriot]

Sorry Kifeas... I don't think it's online yet. I have been sent a copy of the judgement itself...

I can PM you the whole document... or, if you prefer, PM me an email address and I will send it to you as a word document.

[RAFAELLA]

Turkish Cypriot airline plans appeal to UK court
By Jacqueline Agathocleous

TURKISH CYPRIOT airline CTA and its UK tour operator CTA Holidays Limited have decided to file to the UK Court of Appeal against the recent court ruling rejecting their application to permit flights between the UK and the occupied areas.

In an announcement yesterday, Hasan Ercakica, the spokesman of Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said the CTA didn’t feel the specific flights were in violation of the Chicago Convention and therefore international law, as was ruled by the UK High Court.

“When it is considered that a positive decision upon this application would be a supportive step in terms of lifting of the isolations and would particularly contribute to the economic developments in the north, it is a total disappointment,” said Ercakica. He added, “Both companies have decided to apply to the Court of Appeal. We will continue to support our companies in their efforts.”

Commenting on the planned appeal, Government Spokesman Stefanos Stefanou stressed that the Republic of Cyprus would continue to stand up for its sovereign rights

“The Cyprus Republic will continue to stand up for its sovereign rights, because what is important in this decision by the British Court is that it has reaffirmed judicially what is provided in international justice: which is that the management of the air and ground space of each country is a sovereign right of the specific country and the specific government,” said Stefanou.

“There is no way we will ever accept any intentions or policies that want to promote the logic of upgrading a second, separate state in Cyprus or in other words, to legalise partition,” he added.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[The Cypriot]

In an announcement yesterday, Hasan Ercakica, the spokesman of Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said the CTA didn’t feel the specific flights were in violation of the Chicago Convention and therefore international law, as was ruled by the UK High Court.

This is pathetic. I'm sorry, TCs, you don't have leaders in the north, you have psychotics.

This appeal is designed to give the deluded in the north – which clearly includes Talat – a further glimmer of false of hope before the inevitable final disappointment and humiliation that will put the lid on this nonsense once and for all.

It isn't going to happen. It is a waste of money that could better be spent on statues of Ataturk.

Did they not read the judge's ruling?

Forget the Chicago Convention. Britain is obliged, by international law, to keep to the treaty obligations it has signed in relation to Cyprus; obligations not to underake:

“Any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the island.”

Direct flights from Britain to the 'TRNC' would do just that.

In the words of Justice Wyn Williams, the appeal, like the initial claim:

MUST be dismissed.