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[The Cypriot]

Lets hope there will be no rejection but even walking away from the talks will mean steps will be taken to bring a relaxation of isolation on the TRNC as there is no hope of returning to the negotiating table how many times can we do this without a result?

Christofias would be stupid to walk away from the talks and he's by no means stupid.

[Viewpoint]

Lets hope there will be no rejection but even walking away from the talks will mean steps will be taken to bring a relaxation of isolation on the TRNC as there is no hope of returning to the negotiating table how many times can we do this without a result?

Christofias would be stupid to walk away from the talks and he's by no means stupid.

We will see but the next round of talks to start in September is when the shit hits the fan and will probably cause a breakdown.

[Get Real!]

thats exactly why we can't have a peaceful country. because you TCs arent willing to accept the fact that theres a reason why 90% of Cyprus' population is Greek. IT IS A GREEK ISLAND. but youre too stupid to understand what i'm saying.

I understand perfectly what you’re saying but the problem is that someone, at some stage in your life, shoved a Greek cucumber so far up your arse that you now think you’re a Spartan…

[Oracle]

thats exactly why we can't have a peaceful country. because you TCs arent willing to accept the fact that theres a reason why 90% of Cyprus' population is Greek. IT IS A GREEK ISLAND. but youre too stupid to understand what i'm saying.

I understand perfectly what you’re saying but the problem is that someone, at some stage in your life, shoved a Greek cucumber so far up your arse that you now think you’re a Spartan…

Methinks it's time you expanded your repertoire as your cucumbers are looking a little limp ....

[Viewpoint]

thats exactly why we can't have a peaceful country. because you TCs arent willing to accept the fact that theres a reason why 90% of Cyprus' population is Greek. IT IS A GREEK ISLAND. but youre too stupid to understand what i'm saying.

I understand perfectly what you’re saying but the problem is that someone, at some stage in your life, shoved a Greek cucumber so far up your arse that you now think you’re a Spartan…

He still hasnt worked it out.

[Get Real!]

thats exactly why we can't have a peaceful country. because you TCs arent willing to accept the fact that theres a reason why 90% of Cyprus' population is Greek. IT IS A GREEK ISLAND. but youre too stupid to understand what i'm saying.

I understand perfectly what you’re saying but the problem is that someone, at some stage in your life, shoved a Greek cucumber so far up your arse that you now think you’re a Spartan…

He still hasnt worked it out.

Most newbies are slow...

[paliometoxo]

[Tony-4497]

What do people think obvioulsy we cannot agree a solution as the chasm is clearly to wide so we will all gradually start to realize that a clean break is the best bet and has worked for 35 years. Would everyone accept the above split?

I believe that a plan similar to Annan with the above ratio would be acceptable to both at referendum, provided it additionally had:

1. Cast iron security guarantees without Turkish/ Greek formal "intervention rights" (say NATO/EU force incl Turkey and Greece) plus implementation guarantees (e.g. new state of affairs occuring simultaneously with return of land to GCs/ UN).

2. Provisions ensuring that in case of a deadlock/ major disagreement, both federal component states would automatically be internationally recognised as sovereign and have EU-member status (hence removing the legitimate GC fear of losing the RoC in such a case).


I believe that ANY plan based on the Annan/current negotiations ratio of 70/30 (and 55/45 of coast) will be rejected by GCs. It simply would not be worth it to take any risk at all in order to increase GC area from 63% to just 70%! Better to wait for a better deal.

[DT.]

What do people think obvioulsy we cannot agree a solution as the chasm is clearly to wide so we will all gradually start to realize that a clean break is the best bet and has worked for 35 years. Would everyone accept the above split?

I believe that a plan similar to Annan with the above ratio would be acceptable to both at referendum, provided it additionally had:

1. Cast iron security guarantees without Turkish/ Greek formal "intervention rights" (say NATO/EU force incl Turkey and Greece) plus implementation guarantees (e.g. new state of affairs occuring simultaneously with return of land to GCs/ UN).

2. Provisions ensuring that in case of a deadlock/ major disagreement, both federal component states would automatically be internationally recognised as sovereign and have EU-member status (hence removing the legitimate GC fear of losing the RoC in such a case).


I believe that ANY plan based on the Annan/current negotiations ratio of 70/30 (and 55/45 of coast) will be rejected by GCs. It simply would not be worth it to take any risk at all in order to increase GC area from 63% to just 70%! Better to wait for a better deal.

I don't know where you pulled Number 2 out from but I doubt any GC would ever support such a position.

[Tony-4497]

I don't know where you pulled Number 2 out from but I doubt any GC would ever support such a position

I believe that a major problem for GCs to accept a solution is the perceived threat to their "way of life" and the existence of a GC sovereign, EU-member state. Papadopoulos's key argument in rejecting the Annan plan was that he had received such a state and would not be prepared to end up with just an unrecognised "community".

People (rightly) always think of the worst case scenario i.e. the downside risk of any solution. If this worst case scenario (i.e. where the federation fails) is that we effectively keep the RoC (or say the GRoC) but with an area of 80%, full security, demilitarisation etc and in return TRNC is reduced to 20% and recognised, then I believe that a majority of GCs (i.e. the "missing" 26%) would say Yes at referendum.

For example, I voted No in 2004 but I would say Yes to such a plan (same with a lot of people I know). I emphasise that is the worst case scenario i.e. we would try the BBF but if this fails we will be in a much better position than we would have been if the Annan plan arrangements failed.

I think that this is the ONLY way of getting 2 positive votes at referendum (it also has a fundamental element of fairness in it, with respect to proportionate land sharing). If you have a better idea, please enlighten us.