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[The Cypriot]

Always depends on the balance between the bigger nations, if it suits for the TRNC to be recognized recognized it will be and there will be nothing the GCs can do,

You're wrong. This is deluded, wishful thinking. The bigger nations cannot decide this. Only Cypriots can decide this. The Republic of Cyprus is a sovereign nation and an EU member. No one cannot make decisions for Cyprus not in accord with the wishes of its people.

we have been given enough opportunity to sort out our differences but obviously like in 1963 to 1974 we have not been able to resolve matters, add to this the last 35 years and numerous failed attempts at agreeing a solution and the big guys will understand that the current division is the best solution for us,

You're wrong. The big guys cannot do this. The world doesn't work like that.

recognition may not come in the near future we dont expect it but dont forget e are in this forever and someday when a few generations pass recognition will arrive.

35 years and the world has done nothing to remove Turkey's army. Many more years will pass and the world will equally do nothing for recognition to arrive. This is deluded, wishful thinking. And, in any event, this warning of what will happen in a few generations is futile. No one will be around in a few generations to suffer the consequences of this hollow threat.

If GCs were clever people they would have hammered out a deal by now making necessary compromises with TCs proving that their fears were unfounded including them in important issues and proving that everyone would benefit from unification

I think the clever Christofias has been doing just that. Either the TCs aren't listening, have been conditioned not to listen or have had Turkish cotton wool stuffed in their ears.

the remaining compromises which now may seem unacceptable to GCs would over time disappear. But GCs are not that clever

The statistics prove otherwise. Free Cyprus has one of the world's highest number of graduates per capita. Not too long ago they topped the world:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

they continue t stubborn policies of the past which reconfirm that we cannot live together as they intend to take control of the whole island and turn us into a minority exposed to the surgeons knife.

Reconfirm to whom? Maybe some in the north continue to believe and propagate Turkey's myth - those whose interests are best served by partition - but the rest of the world, Britain, Europe and the US, are no longer taken in.

[bubblechris]

As a British born GC with property in the north and a desire to see Cyprus develop and improve , I can say without a doubt i would support such a split. Provisions however are that they be given Kyrenia and Morphou, return all other property to their rightful owners and all TC land and property left behind be distributed to those that lost property in the north.
I have always said that if we want a lasting solution it needs to happen.
To those that say 'never' i say there is no other way and money and property will compensate you for your losses.
Would you rather have a 'Berlin Wall' separating us from the north cos that's what i believe we will end up with

[Dr J]

I'd rather see another war than see Turkey theft of more Greek land become legalised.

[Get Real!]

...if it suits for the TRNC to be recognized recognized it will be and there will be nothing the GCs can do

It‘s not up to individual UN member nations to recognize the “TRNC” I’m afraid.

The “TRNC” is the only entity I know of that has one of these special papers…

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

…making it IMPOSSIBLE for any UN-member state to recognize it.

[bubblechris]

Why would anyone want a war?

More deaths, more missing persons, more chaos, more negotiations :s please nooooo!

[Get Real!]

Why would anyone want a war?

More deaths, more missing persons, more chaos, more negotiations :s please nooooo!

Have you done your military service?

[Viewpoint]

As a British born GC with property in the north and a desire to see Cyprus develop and improve , I can say without a doubt i would support such a split. Provisions however are that they be given Kyrenia and Morphou, return all other property to their rightful owners and all TC land and property left behind be distributed to those that lost property in the north.
I have always said that if we want a lasting solution it needs to happen.
To those that say 'never' i say there is no other way and money and property will compensate you for your losses.
Would you rather have a 'Berlin Wall' separating us from the north cos that's what i believe we will end up with

Well done bubble takes a brave person to see the reality of the situation and go against the GC tide, well done.

[Viewpoint]

Always depends on the balance between the bigger nations, if it suits for the TRNC to be recognized recognized it will be and there will be nothing the GCs can do,

You're wrong. This is deluded, wishful thinking. The bigger nations cannot decide this. Only Cypriots can decide this. The Republic of Cyprus is a sovereign nation and an EU member. No one cannot make decisions for Cyprus not in accord with the wishes of its people.

we have been given enough opportunity to sort out our differences but obviously like in 1963 to 1974 we have not been able to resolve matters, add to this the last 35 years and numerous failed attempts at agreeing a solution and the big guys will understand that the current division is the best solution for us,

You're wrong. The big guys cannot do this. The world doesn't work like that.

recognition may not come in the near future we dont expect it but dont forget e are in this forever and someday when a few generations pass recognition will arrive.

35 years and the world has done nothing to remove Turkey's army. Many more years will pass and the world will equally do nothing for recognition to arrive. This is deluded, wishful thinking. And, in any event, this warning of what will happen in a few generations is futile. No one will be around in a few generations to suffer the consequences of this hollow threat.

If GCs were clever people they would have hammered out a deal by now making necessary compromises with TCs proving that their fears were unfounded including them in important issues and proving that everyone would benefit from unification

I think the clever Christofias has been doing just that. Either the TCs aren't listening, have been conditioned not to listen or have had Turkish cotton wool stuffed in their ears.

the remaining compromises which now may seem unacceptable to GCs would over time disappear. But GCs are not that clever

The statistics prove otherwise. Free Cyprus has one of the world's highest number of graduates per capita. Not too long ago they topped the world:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/s ... ioncode=26

they continue t stubborn policies of the past which reconfirm that we cannot live together as they intend to take control of the whole island and turn us into a minority exposed to the surgeons knife.

Reconfirm to whom? Maybe some in the north continue to believe and propagate Turkey's myth - those whose interests are best served by partition - but the rest of the world, Britain, Europe and the US, are no longer taken in.

Im deluded because you have difficulty accepting the alternatives to non solution, or you are so brain washed that you cannot understand how the world operates if the super powers want to recognize the TRNC they will and you will be unable to stop it, being in the EU will not stop it, 63% will remain in the EU as the "RoC" and 37% will be the TRNC recognized by many other nations but not in the EU, you will not count as your repeative rejection of any solution but before you will support the fact that the 2 communities cannot agree unification. Never forget you share 50% of the blame for a non solution and were the last side to reject a UN brokered and world backed plan.

[The Cypriot]

Im deluded because you have difficulty accepting the alternatives to non solution,

There are no alternatives unless they are approved by the Cypriot people. The option is reunification in accordance with UN resolutions and EU law, or continuation of the status quo; a status quo, which I don't need to remind you, has already lasted 35 years.

or you are so brain washed that you cannot understand how the world operates

Who would brain wash me to believe this? Why would they do that? What would they have to gain?

if the super powers want to recognize the TRNC they will and you will be unable to stop it, being in the EU will not stop it, 63% will remain in the EU as the "RoC" and 37% will be the TRNC recognized by many other nations

I don't thinks so. And if you believe this you are deluded. This has now become a circular argument.

but not in the EU, you will not count as your repeative rejection of any solution

There will be no repeat of the Annan Plan. There will be no repeat rejection.

but before you will support the fact that the 2 communities cannot agree unification.

Yes they can. It's just that Turkey and their cronies won't let them.

Never forget you share 50% of the blame for a non solution and were the last side to reject a UN brokered and world backed plan.

This has no bearing on international law.

[Nikitas]

VP said:

"if it suits for the TRNC to be recognized recognized it will be and there will be nothing the GCs can do,"

I was not asking about GC opbjections. In a hypothetical agreement between the two communities to proceed with formal partition and mutual recognition, how would Turkey react?

You see, so far there has not been s single statement by Turkey that it seeks an independent TRNC. It wants it recognised, separated from the GCs and RoC, but I have yet to hear the word "independent" from official Turkish sources.