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How about we get rid of the TRNC and live as normal people, not divided, all differences aside?

Who will run the country? how will the TCs get a look in? how will you stop discriminative practices? what will do with security issues or the settlers? you appear very naive.

Naive? Are you saying being an optomist is being naive? I'm sorry, you're right this illegal TRNC is working great.

Look, all countries will have their issues such as the ones you have listed above, that's just the way the world is. We can't cure every problem existing on the island, but we can at least get rid of one of the most biggest problems here. I believe getting rid of the TRNC is a start.

Who will run the country? I have an idea. Cypriots.

With the imbalance of 80% in your favor of course you would label it Cypriots in the hope we will swallow your new name for GC rule, if are to jointly run a united the structure has to be such that we TCs are not pushed to one side and effectively have a say in their own future and not be exposed to GC domination and discrimination. How do you propose to combat these important issues?

[NikosGB23]

How about we get rid of the TRNC and live as normal people, not divided, all differences aside?

Who will run the country? how will the TCs get a look in? how will you stop discriminative practices? what will do with security issues or the settlers? you appear very naive.

Naive? Are you saying being an optomist is being naive? I'm sorry, you're right this illegal TRNC is working great.

Look, all countries will have their issues such as the ones you have listed above, that's just the way the world is. We can't cure every problem existing on the island, but we can at least get rid of one of the most biggest problems here. I believe getting rid of the TRNC is a start.

Who will run the country? I have an idea. Cypriots.

With the imbalance of 80% in your favor of course you would label it Cypriots in the hope we will swallow your new name for GC rule, if are to jointly run a united the structure has to be such that we TCs are not pushed to one side and effectively have a say in their own future and not be exposed to GC domination and discrimination. How do you propose to combat these important issues?

Hm, well maybe your motherland should have thought about that before invading, and sending in thousands of settlers into the north from Turkey. Maybe thats why your pushed to one side.

I see that your not getting my point. Greek or Turkish aside, we're all Cypriot. And what new GC rule? Do you mean a fair, non military, democracy? Much unlike the TC rule?

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How about we get rid of the TRNC and live as normal people, not divided, all differences aside?

Who will run the country? how will the TCs get a look in? how will you stop discriminative practices? what will do with security issues or the settlers? you appear very naive.

Naive? Are you saying being an optomist is being naive? I'm sorry, you're right this illegal TRNC is working great.

Look, all countries will have their issues such as the ones you have listed above, that's just the way the world is. We can't cure every problem existing on the island, but we can at least get rid of one of the most biggest problems here. I believe getting rid of the TRNC is a start.

Who will run the country? I have an idea. Cypriots.

With the imbalance of 80% in your favor of course you would label it Cypriots in the hope we will swallow your new name for GC rule, if are to jointly run a united the structure has to be such that we TCs are not pushed to one side and effectively have a say in their own future and not be exposed to GC domination and discrimination. How do you propose to combat these important issues?

Hm, well maybe your motherland should have thought about that before invading, and sending in thousands of settlers into the north from Turkey. Maybe thats why your pushed to one side.

I see that your not getting my point. Greek or Turkish aside, we're all Cypriot. And what new GC rule? Do you mean a fair, non military, democracy? Much unlike the TC rule?

Please try to stick to the what you yourself have proposed and not what the TCs have today. What you offer must be better than our current situation which is preferred to what you are trying to sell us, becuase from here it looks likes what you offer is minority status in a GC state run by GCs whom we do not trust.

[NikosGB23]

How about we get rid of the TRNC and live as normal people, not divided, all differences aside?

Who will run the country? how will the TCs get a look in? how will you stop discriminative practices? what will do with security issues or the settlers? you appear very naive.

Naive? Are you saying being an optomist is being naive? I'm sorry, you're right this illegal TRNC is working great.

Look, all countries will have their issues such as the ones you have listed above, that's just the way the world is. We can't cure every problem existing on the island, but we can at least get rid of one of the most biggest problems here. I believe getting rid of the TRNC is a start.

Who will run the country? I have an idea. Cypriots.

With the imbalance of 80% in your favor of course you would label it Cypriots in the hope we will swallow your new name for GC rule, if are to jointly run a united the structure has to be such that we TCs are not pushed to one side and effectively have a say in their own future and not be exposed to GC domination and discrimination. How do you propose to combat these important issues?

Hm, well maybe your motherland should have thought about that before invading, and sending in thousands of settlers into the north from Turkey. Maybe thats why your pushed to one side.

I see that your not getting my point. Greek or Turkish aside, we're all Cypriot. And what new GC rule? Do you mean a fair, non military, democracy? Much unlike the TC rule?

Please try to stick to the what you yourself have proposed and not what the TCs have today. What you offer must be better than our current situation which is preferred to what you are trying to sell us, becuase from here it looks likes what you offer is minority status in a GC state run by GCs whom we do not trust.

I am sticking to what I have proposed. And is it our fault that TCs are a minority? Every country has a minority and if you can't handle being a monority than leave. And if you can't trust us, the feelings mutual.

If your not willing to put ethnical differences aside than thats your problem as well. Facts are facts. youre a minority and your going to have to deal with being a minority. This is a Greek island by nature. But we've accepted the fact that there are Turks here as well and have tried to cope with them but Turkey wants more. Thats the real problem.

So if the only answer is having an ethnically greek-run peaceful cyprus, than so be it. I'm no goverment offical or anything but you must agree, the having a TC run state wouldnt be any better

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NikosGB23

I am sticking to what I have proposed. And is it our fault that TCs are a minority? Every country has a minority and if you can't handle being a monority than leave. And if you can't trust us, the feelings mutual.

We are not going anywhere so get over it, the mistrust is of course mutual we understand you but you do not appear to want to understand us. Being a numerical majority does not make us any less a partner in 1960 or 2009, this is something you have to understand and maybe then you will be able put forward propositions we can agree to.

If your not willing to put ethnical differences aside than thats your problem as well. Facts are facts. youre a minority and your going to have to deal with being a minority. This is a Greek island by nature. But we've accepted the fact that there are Turks here as well and have tried to cope with them but Turkey wants more. Thats the real problem.

This is not a Greek island never was never will be, your previous post stated it was a Cypriot island arent you contradicting yourself? All we want is what the UN and the rest of the world support a BBF with politcal equality of the 2 states, yet you want want it all the whole island under the control of Cypriots who happen to be 90% GCs.

So if the only answer is having an ethnically greek-run peaceful cyprus, than so be it. I'm no goverment offical or anything but you must agree, the having a TC run state wouldnt be any better

As I stated before 2 states under a BBF will suit us just fine but this is something GCs object to has this is not what they want a GC state run by GCs for GCs, a free hand to dominate and discriminate against TCs as they wish.

[Nikitas]

Shah said

"Greece was ruled for 600 years, what "serious military actions" ?

Not quite, it was a little less than 400 years, and most of the ruling, over Greece and other Balkan territories was carried out by Greek administrators anyway. There were places within Greece which the Ottomans never ruled because they found the inhabitants rather unruly- places around Sparta, Roumeli, islands very near the mainland where the Ottoman rule could not take hold, so the term ruled is kind of ambiguous. I think a better term would be taxed in partnership with local assistance.

The overestimate of military power is a dangerous trap. Who would have thought that the Israelis would be stopped by a relatively unsophisticated force like Hezbollah. It only takes a slight technological advance to cancel out such advantages.

[NikosGB23]

NikosGB23

I am sticking to what I have proposed. And is it our fault that TCs are a minority? Every country has a minority and if you can't handle being a monority than leave. And if you can't trust us, the feelings mutual.

We are not going anywhere so get over it, the mistrust is of course mutual we understand you but you do not appear to want to understand us. Being a numerical majority does not make us any less a partner in 1960 or 2009, this is something you have to understand and maybe then you will be able put forward propositions we can agree to.

If your not willing to put ethnical differences aside than thats your problem as well. Facts are facts. youre a minority and your going to have to deal with being a minority. This is a Greek island by nature. But we've accepted the fact that there are Turks here as well and have tried to cope with them but Turkey wants more. Thats the real problem.

This is not a Greek island never was never will be, your previous post stated it was a Cypriot island arent you contradicting yourself? All we want is what the UN and the rest of the world support a BBF with politcal equality of the 2 states, yet you want want it all the whole island under the control of Cypriots who happen to be 90% GCs.

So if the only answer is having an ethnically greek-run peaceful cyprus, than so be it. I'm no goverment offical or anything but you must agree, the having a TC run state wouldnt be any better

As I stated before 2 states under a BBF will suit us just fine but this is something GCs object to has this is not what they want a GC state run by GCs for GCs, a free hand to dominate and discriminate against TCs as they wish.

I did say it was a Cypriot island, which it is. But ethnically it is Greek. you dont even understand my point. I was in no way contradicting myself. The island has clear evidence of having a greek ethnical presence. Yes, it was ruled by venetians, arabs, and turks at one point, but the greek culture has remained and is its strongest today. youre the one bringing ethnicity into this, so i will too. I believe that Cyprus should have one identity, which cypriot, GC, TC aside. but it's people like you who seem to think that just because turkey has a presence their they have a say in everything.

and the only reason why TCs to have 2 states is so they can try to pick apart everything the GC state does and find more reasons to invade. the TC state wont be TC, it will just be a Turkish state. if all you have to say about having a GC state is the fact that turks will be descriminated against then think of something new. GCs will be descriminated agains as well.

Lets face it, all the GCs want is 1 peaceful country. thats it. and all the TCs want is another excuse is to get turkey involved in someone elses business

[shahmaran]

Shah said

"Greece was ruled for 600 years, what "serious military actions" ?

Not quite, it was a little less than 400 years, and most of the ruling, over Greece and other Balkan territories was carried out by Greek administrators anyway. There were places within Greece which the Ottomans never ruled because they found the inhabitants rather unruly- places around Sparta, Roumeli, islands very near the mainland where the Ottoman rule could not take hold, so the term ruled is kind of ambiguous. I think a better term would be taxed in partnership with local assistance.

The overestimate of military power is a dangerous trap. Who would have thought that the Israelis would be stopped by a relatively unsophisticated force like Hezbollah. It only takes a slight technological advance to cancel out such advantages.

Nikitas as far as I know that is how the Ottoman ruled everywhere not just Greece.

You pay taxes and you are free to do whatever you like, hence how the Cypriots suddenly got more freedom than they seem to deserve.

Plus how can you claim the Israelis have been stopped?

Is there anything more they can do to these people?

I mean they have been totally destroyed and waiting to be wiped out completely trapped in their enclaves.

The occasional Katushka that hardly ever hits anything is not exactly putting a stop on the Israelis is it?

Just gives them more excuses to jump in and murder a lot more of them.

However this seems to be the way of the international law, extremely biased.

[Get Real!]

Plus how can you claim the Israelis have been stopped?

Is there anything more they can do to these people?

I mean they have been totally destroyed and waiting to be wiped out completely trapped in their enclaves.

The occasional Katushka that hardly ever hits anything is not exactly putting a stop on the Israelis is it?

Just gives them more excuses to jump in and murder a lot more of them.

However this seems to be the way of the international law, extremely biased.

See what I mean when I call you a pea-brain?

He said Hezbollah not the Palestinians!

(And no, it’s not an Armenian delicacy but a Lebanese Islamic force)

[shahmaran]

Plus how can you claim the Israelis have been stopped?

Is there anything more they can do to these people?

I mean they have been totally destroyed and waiting to be wiped out completely trapped in their enclaves.

The occasional Katushka that hardly ever hits anything is not exactly putting a stop on the Israelis is it?

Just gives them more excuses to jump in and murder a lot more of them.

However this seems to be the way of the international law, extremely biased.

See what I mean when I call you a pea-brain?

He said Hezbollah not the Palestinians!

(And no, it’s not an Armenian delicacy but a Lebanese Islamic force)

Yes my bad GR, it is getting late and your quick self-esteem masturbation's mean fuck all to me so fire at will...

However the argument would still be roughly the same.

I don't see how Israel was stopped as it bombed the shit out of Lebanon, destroyed many homes and world heritage sites, killed many Lebanese civilians, thousands of Hezbollah fighters, largest ever petrol spill in the Mediterranean if you remember, while taking very little damage herself.

How is that exactly a victory?

Israel's careless and indiscriminate destruction was paid by many including the coasts of Turkey and Cyprus.

The Chechnyan resistance would be a better example to your point Nikitas, never the less it is not common and bigger armies tend to win the war most of the time.

But yes the contrary is also possible, just remember Turkey's wars