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[shahmaran]

Nikitas you are talking about 2 nations that have already been defeated by Turkey, one of them twice!

So maximalism and the feeling of invincibility seems to be mutual as your fore sights are based up on them.

On the other hand, I was just pulling GR's leg as it clearly winds him up

But yeah, if it comes down to what you say and we must fight (which I seriously doubt it will), then fight we will as we have no other choice, the Megali Idea must be destroyed for ever!

[Turan Tankgirl]

At the far end of the street I see only one solution and that is a dutch marriage called living-apart-together. It needs only more than dutch courage to realize such option.

A 20/80 partition in only surface is no solution if you neglect the waterrights imho. I heard that Israeli based companies bought no less than 1/5 of the so called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesaoria

Waiting for the Turkish waterpipe ?

[Byron]

Would both sides accept a TCs 20% GCs 80% split?

The only chasm we have in Cyprus is that created, nurtured, and preserved by Turkey illegally by force.

Had the international community imposed sanctions on Turkey and even threatened with military action if necessary as done elsewhere, there’s not a doubt in my mind that Turkey would’ve swiftly abandoned her stupid and selfish games in Cyprus a long time ago.

Upon Turkey’s complete withdrawal, law and order would’ve been established on all four corners of Cyprus and Turkish Cypriots would’ve had no option but to swim with the democratic flow as Cypriot citizens.

Therefore, I for one can NEVER accept any divisive arrangements because it’s very clear that without Turkey’s illegal occupation the Turkish Cypriots are in no position whatsoever to make any of the absurd claims they are making today.

I do NOT accept Turkey’s blackmails under any circumstances, and I certainly do NOT appreciate the Turkish Cypriot community’s foolhardy policy of taking advantage of this illegal occupation to extract undemocratic favoritism!

If anything, this injustice strengthens my resilience against the blackmailing culprits and will happily take up arms against them at a moment's notice because to me it’s a matter of principle.

Are you advocating a war as an alternative if the situation remains as it is or have I misread your last para?

[YFred]

Would both sides accept a TCs 20% GCs 80% split?

The only chasm we have in Cyprus is that created, nurtured, and preserved by Turkey illegally by force.

Had the international community imposed sanctions on Turkey and even threatened with military action if necessary as done elsewhere, there’s not a doubt in my mind that Turkey would’ve swiftly abandoned her stupid and selfish games in Cyprus a long time ago.

Upon Turkey’s complete withdrawal, law and order would’ve been established on all four corners of Cyprus and Turkish Cypriots would’ve had no option but to swim with the democratic flow as Cypriot citizens.

Therefore, I for one can NEVER accept any divisive arrangements because it’s very clear that without Turkey’s illegal occupation the Turkish Cypriots are in no position whatsoever to make any of the absurd claims they are making today.

I do NOT accept Turkey’s blackmails under any circumstances, and I certainly do NOT appreciate the Turkish Cypriot community’s foolhardy policy of taking advantage of this illegal occupation to extract undemocratic favoritism!

If anything, this injustice strengthens my resilience against the blackmailing culprits and will happily take up arms against them at a moment's notice because to me it’s a matter of principle.

Are you advocating a war as an alternative if the situation remains as it is or have I misread your last para?

Its not just him, he has a gang of 15 veterans and they are known as the Eoka-Crap.

[Kikapu]

What do people think obvioulsy we cannot agree a solution as the chasm is clearly to wide so we will all gradually start to realize that a clean break is the best bet and has worked for 35 years. Would everyone accept the above split?

The chasm is wide and will get even wider, but not with whom you think though.!

The chasm is getting wider between the "trnc" and the EU Principles and the longer there is no solution based on the EU Principles, there will be even more hurdles for the "trnc" to jump in the future, such as ECJ rulings and any other policies that the EU may set for themselves.

Just look and see how much easier it would have been for the "trnc" to have had a settlement before 2004, before the RoC became a EU member, but unfortunately, greed had set in and the AP was overloaded with unacceptable policies and terms. I guess someone forgot to tell the "trnc" that, "if something is too good to be true, it often is" and the 2004 AP was such a case which fizzled away. Had it been a more balanced and just peace plan, it would have passed without all the headaches the "trnc" and Turkey faces today.

So, to answer your question, the 80%-20% may have been attractive consideration for the GCs before 2004, but since then them being in the EU with all the EU Principles that will apply in any settlement, the stock value of your 80%-20% have lost a lot of ground, I'm afraid, specially when the RoC has got the "trnc" and Turkey right where she wants them, politically speaking of course. My guess is, if you want your offer for a "clean break", you gonna have to sweeten your offer a bit. What is it.?

But before you answer that question, there are other things to consider.

First of all, Turkey has never shown any inclination for the north to become an independent and sovereign country, so that is a negative for you. Secondly, the moment the EU talks with Turkey is suspended come this December, unless she opens her ports to the RoC's planes and ships with full recognition of the RoC, I expect her stock market will take a 30% dive followed by the Turkish Lira on the same day. I don't even want to think about what will happen on the second day.! If you thought the Turks in general did not like TCs very much before, you are going to have tsunami of hate from your average Turks in Turkey for having ruined their economy, currency and the chance to be in the EU sometime in the future. So all of a sudden, your proposal’s 80%-20% stock value has also taken a further dive. Quite frankly, I don't know what you would have left to make a deal with, because at this point if Turkey is smart, and I believe they are, they will cut a deal with the RoC that will most benefit their country of Turkey which I support for them being in the EU. Now what have you got to bargain with.?

So VP, what will be your final offer in the end.?????

[wyoming cowboy]

I would accept the 80/20 swap all cyprus of turks in the north and all Gc in the south. Since there are hardly any Turk cyps left on cyprus due to the turk armies ethnic cleansing, whats the point of a united cyprus.

[Get Real!]

I would accept the 80/20 swap all cyprus of turks in the north and all Gc in the south. Since there are hardly any Turk cyps left on cyprus due to the turk armies ethnic cleansing, whats the point of a united cyprus.

If you could annihilate Turkey at a wave of a magic wand would you still then proceed to give Turkish Cypriots 20% of Cypriot territory?

[shahmaran]

You can't "give" what is already ours GR.

Wyoming cowboy, the TC's did not leave because of the Turkish invasion, they were already leaving for various reason long before that and GC racism definitely was one of the major factors involved!

[Viewpoint]

What do people think obvioulsy we cannot agree a solution as the chasm is clearly to wide so we will all gradually start to realize that a clean break is the best bet and has worked for 35 years. Would everyone accept the above split?

The chasm is wide and will get even wider, but not with whom you think though.!

The chasm is getting wider between the "trnc" and the EU Principles and the longer there is no solution based on the EU Principles, there will be even more hurdles for the "trnc" to jump in the future, such as ECJ rulings and any other policies that the EU may set for themselves.

Just look and see how much easier it would have been for the "trnc" to have had a settlement before 2004, before the RoC became a EU member, but unfortunately, greed had set in and the AP was overloaded with unacceptable policies and terms. I guess someone forgot to tell the "trnc" that, "if something is too good to be true, it often is" and the 2004 AP was such a case which fizzled away. Had it been a more balanced and just peace plan, it would have passed without all the headaches the "trnc" and Turkey faces today.

So, to answer your question, the 80%-20% may have been attractive consideration for the GCs before 2004, but since then them being in the EU with all the EU Principles that will apply in any settlement, the stock value of your 80%-20% have lost a lot of ground, I'm afraid, specially when the RoC has got the "trnc" and Turkey right where she wants them, politically speaking of course. My guess is, if you want your offer for a "clean break", you gonna have to sweeten your offer a bit. What is it.?

But before you answer that question, there are other things to consider.

First of all, Turkey has never shown any inclination for the north to become an independent and sovereign country, so that is a negative for you. Secondly, the moment the EU talks with Turkey is suspended come this December, unless she opens her ports to the RoC's planes and ships with full recognition of the RoC, I expect her stock market will take a 30% dive followed by the Turkish Lira on the same day. I don't even want to think about what will happen on the second day.! If you thought the Turks in general did not like TCs very much before, you are going to have tsunami of hate from your average Turks in Turkey for having ruined their economy, currency and the chance to be in the EU sometime in the future. So all of a sudden, your proposal’s 80%-20% stock value has also taken a further dive. Quite frankly, I don't know what you would have left to make a deal with, because at this point if Turkey is smart, and I believe they are, they will cut a deal with the RoC that will most benefit their country of Turkey which I support for them being in the EU. Now what have you got to bargain with.?

So VP, what will be your final offer in the end.?????

You are a real doom and gloom merchant, 35 years of TRNC prove you wrong we can continue like this for as long as we wish and dont churn out the TCs are disappearing as this does not have the effect you want it to. Turkey will choose us everytime she showed this when you were foaming at the moth with the thought of recognition, what did she choose the TRNC to your dismay, you over estimate EU worth, life in Turkey does not revolve around a christian club which they have come to accept they will never be admited due to double standards, they are just going through the motions. The final blow will come when they are told to walk away but what you have to worry about is not what Turkey will do because believe me they will be fine, its what you GCs will do up the swanny without a paddle, your leverage gone forever.

Do you know who made EU laws and regulations that you think are written in stone? once you solve that you will understand why changes can be made to resolve specific situations and problems.

[paliometoxo]

At the far end of the street I see only one solution and that is a dutch marriage called living-apart-together. It needs only more than dutch courage to realize such option.

A 20/80 partition in only surface is no solution if you neglect the waterrights imho. I heard that Israeli based companies bought no less than 1/5 of the so called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesaoria

Waiting for the Turkish waterpipe ?

_|_ there is ur stupid water pipes u stupid turks we accept nothing from you barbarians! in ur dreams u will split our island in two

we will have enosis before u pricks have two states in our island