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[Kikapu]

Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy.

This example is in reverse. It would only be analogous if TC migration was limited into Europe, which it is not and would not be.

But, even if we accept this as a precedent, is the TC plan to limit only GCs, or all EU citizens, from buying property or doing business in the north?

So that it's not discriminatory, and can be properly policed, it would have to be all EU citizens. But if TCs are to prevent EU citizens to take advantage of rights and opportunities in the north, then this will be damaging to the economy and damaging to TCs.

As for RoC having racist rules... it's very constitution, imposed on it by foreigners, was racist; forcing as it did Cypriots to choose between being part of the 'Greek' or 'Turkish' community.

So, now that Cyprus's is in the EU, let's address this nonsense, not perpetuate it.

Which way it is, makes no difference. The point is EU is very flexible in the activities of its members, and would accommodate slavery if asked.

So is it only GCs or all EU citizens you're looking to exclude?

The TCs greates fear is being swamped by GCs and then losing control of their state. It's clearly set out to prevent that. Even if there was no such rule, it can easily be implemented by intimidation like in the past. I just wish to move to the next stage. At least we are one step closer to the ultimate aim. Trying to get it right first time has not worked and I suspect will not work in the future either.

Once again you make rubbish post. If the land size is reduced in the north to around 18%-20%, it will solve all your problems as I explained in my "BBF" power sharing plan which you never read. I also pointed this out on page one also on this thread, but again, like a blind and dumb, you have once again missed it. Well, here it is again.

The point he say blandly is to preserve the bizonality which must guarantee the TC majority in the north.

This is an easy one to solve. By reducing the north state by 50% of what it is today, say to about 18-20%, of the 180,000 GC displaced from the north in 1974, at least 150,000 will be able to return to their homes and be out of the north state to become part of the south state, which will give the TCs an absolute majority when at max, you will only have about 30,000 GCs with properties that will be in the north state, which many of these GCs, they may sell or rent out their properties and remain living in the south state. This will kill 2 birds with one stone. No need for compensation to be paid to 150,000 GCs and the TCs get to have a absolute majority in the north. A win win solution.!

What is your excuse now. If VP is willing to take 20% as an independent north, what is the problem in taking 20% for a north state to solve a lot of your concerns.?

[YFred]

There are some members on this forum who pretend to be on the side of solution and unitary state, and yet harbour feelings of independence for each community. I personally suffer from no such desires. My wish in life is for Cyprus to be one country but in a secure environment free from all oppression, discrimination and threat from where ever it may emanate. Particularly from some forumers who suffer from delusional grandeur and think that they have a plan to solve the Cyprus problem. This reminds me of the “One flew over the cuckoos nest” film, the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the chief culprit is kicking shit.

[The Cypriot]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

[Kikapu]

There are some members on this forum who pretend to be on the side of solution and unitary state, and yet harbour feelings of independence for each community. I personally suffer from no such desires. My wish in life is for Cyprus to be one country but in a secure environment free from all oppression, discrimination and threat from where ever it may emanate. Particularly from some forumers who suffer from delusional grandeur and think that they have a plan to solve the Cyprus problem. This reminds me of the “One flew over the cuckoos nest” film, the lunatics have taken over the asylum and the chief culprit is kicking shit.

Your post would be somewhat believable if you did not support policies which are designed to violate other Cypriots Democratic and Human Rights. Once you accept these basic rights for each citizen of Cyprus, then you can make your grandiose speech, but until then, don't criticise others in their efforts to find a Fair and Just settlement. Talat after all did ask for the TCs to help him find a solution, but all you have done since being on the forum, is take the Fascist NeoPartitonists position and mock anything that has to do with True Federation and True Democracy with respecting Human Rights and International laws, and if those were not bad enough, you went as far as supporting the Orams for god sake, and you still want to be respected as a Cypriot. No, I don't think you belong with the light weight nutters in the "One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest" asylum, because you would be over qualified by being there.!

[Viewpoint]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

You are the ones that have placed your trust in the EU not us, we have chosen Turkey, so why ask us ask the EU.

[Kikapu]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

You are the ones that have placed your trust in the EU not us, we have chosen Turkey, so why ask us ask the EU.

Only the laws from the EU that are acceptable on all EU territories, and since Turkey is not an EU member or has any EU territories, Turkey's rules are not acceptable on EU territories. The EU does not need to do anything else other than reject all non EU members inputs in how to run their territories. Once Turkey becomes a member, if she fills all her criteria’s that is, then she will be able to participate on what goes on EU territories. Is this clear enough for you.?

[Viewpoint]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

You are the ones that have placed your trust in the EU not us, we have chosen Turkey, so why ask us ask the EU.

Only the laws from the EU that are acceptable on all EU territories, and since Turkey is not an EU member or has any EU territories, Turkey's rules are not acceptable on EU territories. The EU does not need to do anything else other than reject all non EU members inputs in how to run their territories. Once Turkey becomes a member, if she fills all her criteria’s that is, then she will be able to participate on what goes on EU territories. Is this clear enough for you.?

You ask us to trust the EU with our security yet you do not trust them yourselves, why is that? choose Greece then.

[The Cypriot]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

You are the ones that have placed your trust in the EU not us, we have chosen Turkey, so why ask us ask the EU.

I did. The EU said it is unable to do any more to prevent discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense by Turkey, other than through means already being pursued, ie legal and economic. This being so, the Republic would not be in a postion to accept Turkey's guarantee as part of any solution. It has nothing to gain. And too much to lose.

[Viewpoint]

And who is going to guarantee the rest of the EU citizens on Cyprus against Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense?

The EU you trust them dont you?

Yes. Cyprus is in the EU so you are asking Cypriots to trust themselves and their partners.

But what will the EU be able to do to counter Turkey's discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense, as, for example, suggested by Nami?

You are the ones that have placed your trust in the EU not us, we have chosen Turkey, so why ask us ask the EU.

I did. The EU said it is unable to do any more to prevent discriminatory, impractical, unlawful and divisive nonsense by Turkey, other than through means already being pursued, ie legal and economic. This being so, the Republic would not be in a postion to accept Turkey's guarantee as part of any solution. It has nothing to gain. And too much to lose.

Then stalemate as we will not commit to anything without Turkeys guarantees, you are not offering anything concrete to replace this very important security issue. Just out of interest how will Turkey do all the things you cliam if they are a guarantor?

[Get Real!]

...you are not offering anything concrete to replace this very important security issue.

I was going to suggest your attitudes but never mind...