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Postby YFred » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:50 am

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Nikitas wrote:YFred above says that the territorial issue hase been settled. Really? Since when?


I suspect YFreak knows while he was in an Asylum in 2004 when the TCs said YES to the failed Annan Plan, only by a lousy 65% I may add, for what was a once in a lifetime plan such as the AP was. The remaining 35% TCs held out for more, because they felt that the AP wasn't good enough to be a once in a lifetime plan. Since the TCs said YES to the failed Annan Plan, then as far as YFreak is concerned, everything that was in the AP can only be a starting point from then on in any and all future negotiations, so that's how YFreak knows that the territorial lines have already has been agreed on.! :lol:

Well what do you know, oddball is back. Thank god for that, I was beginning to miss him.

You see, only the real citizens receive such information, oddball pretend citizens are treated like mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit. It makes them feel better.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:13 pm

YFred wrote:When the east Europeans joined EU they did exactly the same thing and removed the barriers quite quickly afterwards. If they hadn't perhaps the west European population would not have accepted the easterners so readily.


YFreak, stop comparing what ever derogations the EU may have allowed to other countries before joining the EU, which is not much by the way, to what you are asking for to have a racist derogations with the blessing of the EU on majority of the citizens of Cyprus. Show me any country in the EU that has such racist policies towards their own people regardless of race, sex, and religion. Cyprus is already in the EU and has already agreed to live by the EU rules when they were accepted in 2004, so stop talking rubbish as usual. In any case, the EU has made their case very clear, that there will not be any permanent derogation on anything and only a limited derogations on very few items, as long as the RoC agrees to it. Time to grow up for god sake and stop looking for handouts and loopholes for dividing the people of Cyprus and start being responsible citizen to help run a country and not a god damn circus. Time for you to get off your constant merry-go-around Racist and Undemocratic demands and act like a Cypriot for Cyprus and a European for the benefit of all, to which, the ones who stand to benefit the most at this stage with a Fair and Just settlement are the TCs, more than anyone else.!
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Postby YFred » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:22 pm

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YFred wrote:When the east Europeans joined EU they did exactly the same thing and removed the barriers quite quickly afterwards. If they hadn't perhaps the west European population would not have accepted the easterners so readily.


YFreak, stop comparing what ever derogations the EU may have allowed to other countries before joining the EU, which is not much by the way, to what you are asking for to have a racist derogations with the blessing of the EU on majority of the citizens of Cyprus. Show me any country in the EU that has such racist policies towards their own people regardless of race, sex, and religion. Cyprus is already in the EU and has already agreed to live by the EU rules when they were accepted in 2004, so stop talking rubbish as usual. In any case, the EU has made their case very clear, that there will not be any permanent derogation on anything and only a limited derogations on very few items, as long as the RoC agrees to it. Time to grow up for god sake and stop looking for handouts and loopholes for dividing the people of Cyprus and start being responsible citizen to help run a country and not a god damn circus. Time for you to get off your constant merry-go-around Racist and Undemocratic demands and act like a Cypriot for Cyprus and a European for the benefit of all, to which, the ones who stand to benefit the most at this stage with a Fair and Just settlement are the TCs, more than anyone else.!

The above would make sense and worth replying to except the YFreak bit, therefore Assikdir len.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:33 pm

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Nikitas wrote:YFred above says that the territorial issue hase been settled. Really? Since when?


I suspect YFreak knows while he was in an Asylum in 2004 when the TCs said YES to the failed Annan Plan, only by a lousy 65% I may add, for what was a once in a lifetime plan such as the AP was. The remaining 35% TCs held out for more, because they felt that the AP wasn't good enough to be a once in a lifetime plan. Since the TCs said YES to the failed Annan Plan, then as far as YFreak is concerned, everything that was in the AP can only be a starting point from then on in any and all future negotiations, so that's how YFreak knows that the territorial lines have already has been agreed on.! :lol:



Well what do you know, oddball is back. Thank god for that, I was beginning to miss him.

You see, only the real citizens receive such information, oddball pretend citizens are treated like mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit. It makes them feel better.


You see, only the real citizens receive such information


"Real Citizens" of what exactly. If the north was a country of any kind, why are they negotiating to become one of two Federated states in a evolving RoC. I always though it is the individual Federated states that try to become countries and not the other way around. I think you have been released way too early from the Asylum with such mental case views.! :lol:

oddball pretend citizens are treated like mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed bullshit. It makes them feel better


Perhaps the mushrooms that you smoke as "shit" may be kept in the dark, but "fun-guys" like me are always found in the open and free places.! :lol:

I think you have been lighting up too many joints for your own good, YFreak. It seems to have clouded what ever little judgements you may have had before, to nothing.!
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:37 pm

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YFred wrote:When the east Europeans joined EU they did exactly the same thing and removed the barriers quite quickly afterwards. If they hadn't perhaps the west European population would not have accepted the easterners so readily.


YFreak, stop comparing what ever derogations the EU may have allowed to other countries before joining the EU, which is not much by the way, to what you are asking for to have a racist derogations with the blessing of the EU on majority of the citizens of Cyprus. Show me any country in the EU that has such racist policies towards their own people regardless of race, sex, and religion. Cyprus is already in the EU and has already agreed to live by the EU rules when they were accepted in 2004, so stop talking rubbish as usual. In any case, the EU has made their case very clear, that there will not be any permanent derogation on anything and only a limited derogations on very few items, as long as the RoC agrees to it. Time to grow up for god sake and stop looking for handouts and loopholes for dividing the people of Cyprus and start being responsible citizen to help run a country and not a god damn circus. Time for you to get off your constant merry-go-around Racist and Undemocratic demands and act like a Cypriot for Cyprus and a European for the benefit of all, to which, the ones who stand to benefit the most at this stage with a Fair and Just settlement are the TCs, more than anyone else.!

The above would make sense and worth replying to except the YFreak bit, therefore Assikdir len.


That's because you don't even understand what is written, you damn pot head.!
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Postby YFred » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:35 pm

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YFred wrote:When the east Europeans joined EU they did exactly the same thing and removed the barriers quite quickly afterwards. If they hadn't perhaps the west European population would not have accepted the easterners so readily.


YFreak, stop comparing what ever derogations the EU may have allowed to other countries before joining the EU, which is not much by the way, to what you are asking for to have a racist derogations with the blessing of the EU on majority of the citizens of Cyprus. Show me any country in the EU that has such racist policies towards their own people regardless of race, sex, and religion. Cyprus is already in the EU and has already agreed to live by the EU rules when they were accepted in 2004, so stop talking rubbish as usual. In any case, the EU has made their case very clear, that there will not be any permanent derogation on anything and only a limited derogations on very few items, as long as the RoC agrees to it. Time to grow up for god sake and stop looking for handouts and loopholes for dividing the people of Cyprus and start being responsible citizen to help run a country and not a god damn circus. Time for you to get off your constant merry-go-around Racist and Undemocratic demands and act like a Cypriot for Cyprus and a European for the benefit of all, to which, the ones who stand to benefit the most at this stage with a Fair and Just settlement are the TCs, more than anyone else.!

The above would make sense and worth replying to except the YFreak bit, therefore Assikdir len.


That's because you don't even understand what is written, you damn pot head.!

So who is the pot head then?
Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy. :wink: :wink:
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:52 pm

YFred wrote:Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy. :wink: :wink:


This example is in reverse. It would only be analogous if TC migration was limited into Europe, which it is not and would not be.

But, even if we accept this as a precedent, is the TC plan to limit only GCs, or all EU citizens, from buying property or doing business in the north?

So that it's not discriminatory, and can be properly policed, it would have to be all EU citizens. But if TCs are to prevent EU citizens to take advantage of rights and opportunities in the north, then this will be damaging to the economy and damaging to TCs.

As for RoC having racist rules... it's very constitution, imposed on it by foreigners, was racist; forcing as it did Cypriots to choose between being part of the 'Greek' or 'Turkish' community.

So, now that Cyprus's is in the EU, let's address this nonsense, not perpetuate it.
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Postby YFred » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:44 pm

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YFred wrote:Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy. :wink: :wink:


This example is in reverse. It would only be analogous if TC migration was limited into Europe, which it is not and would not be.

But, even if we accept this as a precedent, is the TC plan to limit only GCs, or all EU citizens, from buying property or doing business in the north?

So that it's not discriminatory, and can be properly policed, it would have to be all EU citizens. But if TCs are to prevent EU citizens to take advantage of rights and opportunities in the north, then this will be damaging to the economy and damaging to TCs.

As for RoC having racist rules... it's very constitution, imposed on it by foreigners, was racist; forcing as it did Cypriots to choose between being part of the 'Greek' or 'Turkish' community.

So, now that Cyprus's is in the EU, let's address this nonsense, not perpetuate it.

Which way it is, makes no difference. The point is EU is very flexible in the activities of its members, and would accommodate slavery if asked.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:25 pm

YFred wrote:
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YFred wrote:Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy. :wink: :wink:


This example is in reverse. It would only be analogous if TC migration was limited into Europe, which it is not and would not be.

But, even if we accept this as a precedent, is the TC plan to limit only GCs, or all EU citizens, from buying property or doing business in the north?

So that it's not discriminatory, and can be properly policed, it would have to be all EU citizens. But if TCs are to prevent EU citizens to take advantage of rights and opportunities in the north, then this will be damaging to the economy and damaging to TCs.

As for RoC having racist rules... it's very constitution, imposed on it by foreigners, was racist; forcing as it did Cypriots to choose between being part of the 'Greek' or 'Turkish' community.

So, now that Cyprus's is in the EU, let's address this nonsense, not perpetuate it.

Which way it is, makes no difference. The point is EU is very flexible in the activities of its members, and would accommodate slavery if asked.


So is it only GCs or all EU citizens you're looking to exclude?
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Postby YFred » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:04 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote:Why were the Bulgarinas and the Romanians made to accept limitations as to how many may be able to migrate to the west after joining, for 10 years, was that not racist? So you see we don't set the rules, they are already there and used by others. Besides, if you need to see racist rules, don't even have to go that far, your beloved RoC has plenty of recent examples as well as old, old boy. :wink: :wink:


This example is in reverse. It would only be analogous if TC migration was limited into Europe, which it is not and would not be.

But, even if we accept this as a precedent, is the TC plan to limit only GCs, or all EU citizens, from buying property or doing business in the north?

So that it's not discriminatory, and can be properly policed, it would have to be all EU citizens. But if TCs are to prevent EU citizens to take advantage of rights and opportunities in the north, then this will be damaging to the economy and damaging to TCs.

As for RoC having racist rules... it's very constitution, imposed on it by foreigners, was racist; forcing as it did Cypriots to choose between being part of the 'Greek' or 'Turkish' community.

So, now that Cyprus's is in the EU, let's address this nonsense, not perpetuate it.

Which way it is, makes no difference. The point is EU is very flexible in the activities of its members, and would accommodate slavery if asked.


So is it only GCs or all EU citizens you're looking to exclude?

The TCs greates fear is being swamped by GCs and then losing control of their state. It's clearly set out to prevent that. Even if there was no such rule, it can easily be implemented by intimidation like in the past. I just wish to move to the next stage. At least we are one step closer to the ultimate aim. Trying to get it right first time has not worked and I suspect will not work in the future either.
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