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[-mikkie2-]

Its despairing.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The whole point of negotiating in god faith is to not look at the past, but to look at the future. Here we have the TC's qualifying their every want by the past and not looking forward. The GC's as far as I can see are making big steps to accomodate the TC's in the area of governance, which quite frankly is the most important thing if we are to move forward and look to the future. Yet the TC's refuse to look forward and want to have the upper hand in all aspect of the negotiations. They don't want to give an inch on anything.

It is clear that at this moment in time things are heading for disaster. Radical changes need to made and observed if we have any hope of a solution. Of course, this is only by what we see from the outside. Do we have a good picture of what is actually going on at the negotiating table? Perhaps we don't and I hope that is the case rather than what we read in the press.

I can't see how the EU can take on board a solution that inhibits the main freedoms that the EU is supposed to uphold and represent. It will basically end up in the courts and you will end up having countless ECJ rulings which will eventually trash any agreement. The Orams case is one example. There will be many more to follow!

[YFred]

You all clearly have not grasped the Cyprus problem nor the solution. You are stuck in the old “all or nothing mentality” which is the same as the last 35 years and led to nothing and will continue to lead to nothing. The percentage of land has not been announced but has been agreed and it is not going to be that different to the Annan plan. The percentage of GCs in the north is not agreed as yet and is going to be decided in the give and take stage. I said all along that everyone to their homes has never been a realistic proposition. All we can hope for is that the majority are happy with their lot and the rest with compensation.
As far as governance is concerned if you want to share it will be as is being discussed. It’s all agreed
Security and Guaranty for the TCs will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Security by EU is non-starter because majority of TCs only trust Turkey and nobody else. Not even UN and I don’t blame them. Besides how can TCs trust the EU when RoC can block their every action?

[The Cypriot]

You all clearly have not grasped the Cyprus problem nor the solution. You are stuck in the old “all or nothing mentality” which is the same as the last 35 years and led to nothing and will continue to lead to nothing. The percentage of land has not been announced but has been agreed and it is not going to be that different to the Annan plan. The percentage of GCs in the north is not agreed as yet and is going to be decided in the give and take stage. I said all along that everyone to their homes has never been a realistic proposition. All we can hope for is that the majority are happy with their lot and the rest with compensation.
As far as governance is concerned if you want to share it will be as is being discussed. It’s all agreed
Security and Guaranty for the TCs will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Security by EU is non-starter because majority of TCs only trust Turkey and nobody else. Not even UN and I don’t blame them. Besides how can TCs trust the EU when RoC can block their every action?

YFred, how will the constituent state in the north prevent EU citizens, wholly or partly of GC origin, from buying property in the north after a solution, when all other EU citizens will be entitled to do so?

How will this racist law be implemented and policed? Please help me grasp the Cyprus solution to this.

How can this work in practice, in the real world?

[YFred]

You all clearly have not grasped the Cyprus problem nor the solution. You are stuck in the old “all or nothing mentality” which is the same as the last 35 years and led to nothing and will continue to lead to nothing. The percentage of land has not been announced but has been agreed and it is not going to be that different to the Annan plan. The percentage of GCs in the north is not agreed as yet and is going to be decided in the give and take stage. I said all along that everyone to their homes has never been a realistic proposition. All we can hope for is that the majority are happy with their lot and the rest with compensation.
As far as governance is concerned if you want to share it will be as is being discussed. It’s all agreed
Security and Guaranty for the TCs will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Security by EU is non-starter because majority of TCs only trust Turkey and nobody else. Not even UN and I don’t blame them. Besides how can TCs trust the EU when RoC can block their every action?

YFred, how will the constituent state in the north prevent EU citizens, wholly or partly of GC origin, from buying property in the north after a solution, when all other EU citizens will be entitled to do so?

How will this racist law be implemented and policed? Please help me grasp the Cyprus solution to this.

How can this work in practice, in the real world?

Only for a very short while I suspect. Countries have been known to opt out of certain chapters for a while for what ever reason. Uk from Social Chapter for instance.

[Viewpoint]

Did I not say time and time again the chasm is to wide to bridge unless GCs wake up to the fact that the more they resist TC demands more suspisious TC will get asking for more safeguards and guarantees necessary to counter the increasing mistrust these GC rejections generate. If you are not going to exploit these areas or do anything to trigger these safeguards then what the hell are you GCs worried about, sounds to me like you dont even trust yourselves and want to leave us exposed to your extremists tendancies.

[Oracle]

And Viewpoint appears .... to remind us of the universality of the great chasm between bean-brained Turks and Humanity.

[Viewpoint]

Obviously there are differencies which cannot be bridged, how does everyone think it will develop and if one side walks out which will it be?

[Oracle]

The only thing stopping the EU removing the Turks, is their pretence at negotiations.

If the Turks walk out ... they are off the island in weeks!

Go on! ... walk out of the negotiations!

[YFred]

The only thing stopping the EU removing the Turks, is their pretence at negotiations.

If the Turks walk out ... they are off the island in weeks!

Go on! ... walk out of the negotiations!

I am willing to bet on that one. If the turks walk out of the negotiations and the EU throw the Turks out of Cyprus in weeks, I will do what ever you wish within reason. However if they don't, I would like you to move to Greece for good.

Deal?

[The Cypriot]

You all clearly have not grasped the Cyprus problem nor the solution. You are stuck in the old “all or nothing mentality” which is the same as the last 35 years and led to nothing and will continue to lead to nothing. The percentage of land has not been announced but has been agreed and it is not going to be that different to the Annan plan. The percentage of GCs in the north is not agreed as yet and is going to be decided in the give and take stage. I said all along that everyone to their homes has never been a realistic proposition. All we can hope for is that the majority are happy with their lot and the rest with compensation.
As far as governance is concerned if you want to share it will be as is being discussed. It’s all agreed
Security and Guaranty for the TCs will have to continue for the foreseeable future. Security by EU is non-starter because majority of TCs only trust Turkey and nobody else. Not even UN and I don’t blame them. Besides how can TCs trust the EU when RoC can block their every action?

YFred, how will the constituent state in the north prevent EU citizens, wholly or partly of GC origin, from buying property in the north after a solution, when all other EU citizens will be entitled to do so?

How will this racist law be implemented and policed? Please help me grasp the Cyprus solution to this.

How can this work in practice, in the real world?

Only for a very short while I suspect. Countries have been known to opt out of certain chapters for a while for what ever reason. Uk from Social Chapter for instance.

But this derogation, even if the EU were to accept it (which is impossible, as it is racist) could not be policed. So what is the point of even putting it forward as a proposal?