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[YFred]

Majority of the TCs survive on what they produce old boy.

Really? So what's the best season to cultivate ancient artifacts and GC real estate arsehole?

You can't taint all the TCs with that one old boy. Arsehole is what you see every morning when you are shaving, assuming that you are not a spano. Most TCs are law abiding and hard working. We have same percentage of criminals that you do in the south, whatever the criminal activity is. What is shameful is the practices of the RoC in dealing with the TCs in an absolute racist manner.

I'll give you an example. My brother tried to sell wheat to the RoC few years back. RoC turned it down on the grounds that they couldn't prove if the wheat was grown on TC land. You call that free trade. That is discrimination of the worst kind. They could have said, show us the deeds of your land and in seconds calculate the probability of this land producing the tonnage of wheat. But no, no trade. Its' called suffer you bastards and my reply to the RoC is get stuffed. I will trade with whoever I chose and it will never be with the RoC again.

Just to point out to those who are not familiar with the practices of the TRNC. A TC cannot hold his Kotchans and accept GC land. The kotchans are exchanged with the eshdeger system. I am certain that RoC is aware of that.

That's not true. Some TCs only gave copies of their original deeds from owning land in the south to the "trnc" in order to gain GC land in the north, by simply stating that they did not have the original deeds any longer. I know this from certain family members who have done this, and I don't think they were the only ones. Besides this little loophole, it could also be possible to have bought GC agricultural land very cheaply and then grown the wheat on it, then try and sell it across the "Green Line". How else would he have land in the north to grow wheat if your brother is from the southern Cyprus and he still has his original deeds for land in the south, but yet he is growing wheat on the land in the north.? Did your brother buy original TC land in the north to grow his wheat, or was it grown on the GC land that he bough very cheaply.?

This land is in Lurucina which is under our control and has been in the family for generations. We also have land which is in GC control. When my late Father went to do esdeger, he was told to surrender all his kotchans for 80 donums of GC land. What he was being offered was nothing compared to his land. He had no intention of doing such an unfair exchange so he told them to get stuffed.
I am not aware of anybody who kept their kotchans after esdeger. It must be due to corruption not the norm. Don't have the Kotchans is not an excuse, because records of the Kotchans were kept on both sides. I suggest your family members were probably connected in the UBP circles. Because CTP supporters never got such favours.

[Kikapu]

Majority of the TCs survive on what they produce old boy.

Really? So what's the best season to cultivate ancient artifacts and GC real estate arsehole?

You can't taint all the TCs with that one old boy. Arsehole is what you see every morning when you are shaving, assuming that you are not a spano. Most TCs are law abiding and hard working. We have same percentage of criminals that you do in the south, whatever the criminal activity is. What is shameful is the practices of the RoC in dealing with the TCs in an absolute racist manner.

I'll give you an example. My brother tried to sell wheat to the RoC few years back. RoC turned it down on the grounds that they couldn't prove if the wheat was grown on TC land. You call that free trade. That is discrimination of the worst kind. They could have said, show us the deeds of your land and in seconds calculate the probability of this land producing the tonnage of wheat. But no, no trade. Its' called suffer you bastards and my reply to the RoC is get stuffed. I will trade with whoever I chose and it will never be with the RoC again.

Just to point out to those who are not familiar with the practices of the TRNC. A TC cannot hold his Kotchans and accept GC land. The kotchans are exchanged with the eshdeger system. I am certain that RoC is aware of that.

That's not true. Some TCs only gave copies of their original deeds from owning land in the south to the "trnc" in order to gain GC land in the north, by simply stating that they did not have the original deeds any longer. I know this from certain family members who have done this, and I don't think they were the only ones. Besides this little loophole, it could also be possible to have bought GC agricultural land very cheaply and then grown the wheat on it, then try and sell it across the "Green Line". How else would he have land in the north to grow wheat if your brother is from the southern Cyprus and he still has his original deeds for land in the south, but yet he is growing wheat on the land in the north.? Did your brother buy original TC land in the north to grow his wheat, or was it grown on the GC land that he bough very cheaply.?

This land is in Lurucina which is under our control and has been in the family for generations. We also have land which is in GC control. When my late Father went to do esdeger, he was told to surrender all his kotchans for 80 donums of GC land. What he was being offered was nothing compared to his land. He had no intention of doing such an unfair exchange so he told them to get stuffed.

If all you say is the case, then your brother got screwed. !

But for the sake of argument, how can one tell if the wheat is coming from a legit TC fields or from GC fields in the north or even from Turkey for that matter.?

I am not aware of anybody who kept their kotchans after esdeger. It must be due to corruption not the norm. Don't have the Kotchans is not an excuse, because records of the Kotchans were kept on both sides. I suggest your family members were probably connected in the UBP circles. Because CTP supporters never got such favours.

Last time I heard, corruption is rampant and the norm in the north, regardless of which party is in power.!

[YFred]

Majority of the TCs survive on what they produce old boy.

Really? So what's the best season to cultivate ancient artifacts and GC real estate arsehole?

You can't taint all the TCs with that one old boy. Arsehole is what you see every morning when you are shaving, assuming that you are not a spano. Most TCs are law abiding and hard working. We have same percentage of criminals that you do in the south, whatever the criminal activity is. What is shameful is the practices of the RoC in dealing with the TCs in an absolute racist manner.

I'll give you an example. My brother tried to sell wheat to the RoC few years back. RoC turned it down on the grounds that they couldn't prove if the wheat was grown on TC land. You call that free trade. That is discrimination of the worst kind. They could have said, show us the deeds of your land and in seconds calculate the probability of this land producing the tonnage of wheat. But no, no trade. Its' called suffer you bastards and my reply to the RoC is get stuffed. I will trade with whoever I chose and it will never be with the RoC again.

Just to point out to those who are not familiar with the practices of the TRNC. A TC cannot hold his Kotchans and accept GC land. The kotchans are exchanged with the eshdeger system. I am certain that RoC is aware of that.

That's not true. Some TCs only gave copies of their original deeds from owning land in the south to the "trnc" in order to gain GC land in the north, by simply stating that they did not have the original deeds any longer. I know this from certain family members who have done this, and I don't think they were the only ones. Besides this little loophole, it could also be possible to have bought GC agricultural land very cheaply and then grown the wheat on it, then try and sell it across the "Green Line". How else would he have land in the north to grow wheat if your brother is from the southern Cyprus and he still has his original deeds for land in the south, but yet he is growing wheat on the land in the north.? Did your brother buy original TC land in the north to grow his wheat, or was it grown on the GC land that he bough very cheaply.?

This land is in Lurucina which is under our control and has been in the family for generations. We also have land which is in GC control. When my late Father went to do esdeger, he was told to surrender all his kotchans for 80 donums of GC land. What he was being offered was nothing compared to his land. He had no intention of doing such an unfair exchange so he told them to get stuffed.

If all you say is the case, then your brother got screwed. !

But for the sake of argument, how can one tell if the wheat is coming from a legit TC fields or from GC fields in the north or even from Turkey for that matter.?

I am not aware of anybody who kept their kotchans after esdeger. It must be due to corruption not the norm. Don't have the Kotchans is not an excuse, because records of the Kotchans were kept on both sides. I suggest your family members were probably connected in the UBP circles. Because CTP supporters never got such favours.

Last time I heard, corruption is rampant and the norm in the north, regardless of which party is in power.!

I think you will find that UBP gives a new meaning to the word corrupt.
There is no ifs or buts. It is an official policy to screw the TCs. Even before 74, my late Fathers wheat was always bought as second class even though it was first class. He proved it by using one of his GC friends and selling his wheat at first class price. RoC has been trying to suffocate the TCs since 1960. Sweet dreams.

It's not really that dificult to prove. It just needs a bit of "I wish to trade" mentality instead of "I will suffocate you bastards" mentality. When the policy changes, they will find a way.

[Nikitas]

I do not know about wheat, but I can assure you that TC potatoes are sold in many supermarkets here in Athens. Obviously they are being shipped through Limassol or Larnaca with full EU documentaion. So SOME TCs are obviously able to trade.

[Hatter]

As can be seen from the article below EU is losing patience with the GCs and the Cyprus Problem. The EU is beging to see a more balanced view. Next six months will be very interesting to say least.

So Bildt is now "the EC" ? A controversial turkophile swedish foreign minister does not constitute the EC.

And, of course, you conveniently ignore the main thrust of the article, which is that Bildt was criticised for trying to delete the turkish invasion and continued illegal occupation.


This was clearly a desperate attempt to improve Turkey's chances of avoiding her commitments with impunity. Dream on, guys.

I am implying that he is saying what everyone else is thinking.

Says who? You? Your powers of telepathy about "what evereyone else is thinking" do not carry much weight, old boy.

[DT.]

Bilt could do with a few lessons in logic and history. Why should Cypriots suffer for something that the Junta did against the will of the island's inhabitants? If he hadn't noticed the Junta no longer exists.

Jerry, in this day and age, it is incredible to suggest that 74 activities were purely a Junta affair. GC NG was also on their side. The impression I got from the reports at the time was that the only people loyal to the President was the Police force. The NG was on the side of the coupists. Can someone please tell us which section of the GC NG came out and said they were against the coup before the Turkish intervention?

Whereas the turkish soldiers raping teenagers were under the full control of the turkish state.

[Lit]

Bilt could do with a few lessons in logic and history. Why should Cypriots suffer for something that the Junta did against the will of the island's inhabitants? If he hadn't noticed the Junta no longer exists.

Jerry, in this day and age, it is incredible to suggest that 74 activities were purely a Junta affair. GC NG was also on their side. The impression I got from the reports at the time was that the only people loyal to the President was the Police force. The NG was on the side of the coupists. Can someone please tell us which section of the GC NG came out and said they were against the coup before the Turkish intervention?

Whereas the turkish soldiers raping teenagers were under the full control of the turkish state.

DT., remember, they're two sides to this issue as Yfred would readily admit. What kind of clothing were the teenagers wearing?