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The Unifying Power of the Cypriot Peoples' Language

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:47 am

The Kibroyerro brought this site to our attention yesterday....

http://www.cypriotacademy.com

(I am not in any way connected with it by the way)

Contains many sections and I see that it has become the home of Andrikos the London Fish Fryer. :D

Here's a bit from the section "Our Language" which clearly refers to Cypriot as a language and not a dialect or idiom. A provocation to some I suspect.

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The principal Cypriot vernacular contains many distinct forms of archaic origin not found in the present-day language of Greece. In addition the serial occupations endured by Cypriots over the centuries have left their mark in the form of a vivid multicultural vocabulary: extensive Ottoman, English, French, Italian and other foreign influences have been absorbed to create a powerfully evocative and expressive language. Spoken throughout Cyprus for many generations, Cypriot is also familiar to expatriate Cypriots in the UK, Australia, America and elsewhere.

Important historic texts have been written in what is essentially Cypriot, notably the Assizes (the laws introduced to the island by the Crusaders in the Middle Ages) and Leontios Makhairas’s Chronicle of Cyprus in Frankish times. Despite this, and despite a rich poetic and folk tradition, Cypriot has never achieved proper recognition as a written language variety in its own right. Cypriot has been in decline since the 1950s as a result of the polarisation of the ‘Greek’ and ‘Turkish’ communities of Cyprus. Divisive educational policies and the media have marginalised Cypriot, as well as Gibrizlija, in favour of standardised language forms from the respective ‘mainlands’.

The diminished status of the Cypriot language most particularly affects the newer generations of international Cypriots, who find themselves alienated from their mother tongue. When they try to learn the language of their parents and grandparents, they are introduced to unfamiliar ‘correct’ forms. They are made to feel ashamed of the supposedly vulgar way they speak at home. Not surprisingly, many Cypriots brought up outside Cyprus are unable to communicate effectively or confidently in their ancestral language.

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The above did strike a personal chord with me and perhaps will with others here. I don't speak the CY language terribly well and on many occasions been told that I speak it with an English accent and there have been times when the more rightish-wing, more patriotic friends and relations (the sort who like their coffees in the kafenia bedecked with those funny little blue and white flags) try and correct my vocabulary and as the extract above says the CY language is seen by some as something to be looked down on.

A vulgar language? Vernacular? Well CY has certainly been the local language for hundred of years and like all living languages it will contain vulgar words for a straight-talking people. A living language which has taken on vocabulary from all the Invading Powers and one which, like English, has never been codified or state controlled.

State controlled? Well not entirely true. It has been controlled in that the State(s!) advances the teaching of the "motherland" languages in CY schools, on State(s!) TV and Radio and if the Language is neglected, it is state-control by another route.

In many other countries around the World such a threatened Language would be cherished and protected by more enlightened peoples and governments. Indeed I think UNESCO (?) have a programme for protecting Endangered Languages. I am unsure as to whether CY is on that list or not.

The older tissies I know speak the Language and I have bumped in to younger tissies who also speak It's a People's Language, potentially also a Shared Language again. A Unifying Language.


(PS apologies for not speaking about Gibrizlija and Sanna - more on the site referenced above)

(PPS - there's an excellent section on CY sayings and phrases on the site)
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:54 am

Paphitika is far superior .... 8)

(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)
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Postby Gabira » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:14 am

Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)

(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


And you continue to ensure this type of standardising in the South only :wink:

If you ever have the urge to be 'Turkishly' standardised , come for a Turkish coffee in the North :lol:
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:57 am

Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.

Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:59 am

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.


Do you dissent?

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?


Already accomplished.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:03 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.


Do you dissent?


Am I allowed?

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?


Already accomplished.


By who?
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:28 am

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.


Do you dissent?


Am I allowed?


Yes ... since you prove my point that your chosen dialect conversion to standardised language will not lead to unification. :lol:

Please realise that ALL languages have regional dialects which are culturally important and are maintained through common daily usage; but the unifying thing is to have a standardised language, by which everyone can communicate effectively (from Paphos to Nicosia), and by which Laws are passed. That is how Britain became Great (as an unfortunate example, but one with which you might be more familiar).

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?


Already accomplished.


By who?


By the Greek speaking people.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:57 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.


Do you dissent?


Am I allowed?


Yes ... since you prove my point that your chosen dialect conversion to standardised language will not lead to unification. :lol:


what?

Oracle wrote:Please realise that ALL languages have regional dialects


Bafitiga is a regional dialect of Cypriot in that case.

Oracle wrote:which are culturally important and are maintained through common daily usage; but the unifying thing is to have a standardised language, by which everyone can communicate effectively (from Paphos to Nicosia), and by which Laws are passed. That is how Britain became Great (as an unfortunate example, but one with which you might be more familiar).


Yes. English, which as you claim, has 30% of its words deriving from Greek would make the best official language for this purpose. But that doesn't mean we should neglect the Cypriot.

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?


Already accomplished.


By who?


By the Greek speaking people.


You mean by Athens.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:49 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:Paphitika is far superior .... 8)


Typical Greek cultural imperialist... making light of the language of Cyprus.


Do you dissent?


Am I allowed?


Yes ... since you prove my point that your chosen dialect conversion to standardised language will not lead to unification. :lol:


what?


You immediately dissented when I proposed an alternative regional dialect, Paphitika. Fine. That's what I expected!

It proved you had not thought through, that not everyone would approve of your chosen dialect above all those others currently available.

Your chosen dialect, which you call "Gibraika" doesn't represent all Cypriots and it's therefore not "unifying" as you naively propose (or bill c.) but on the contrary, liable to cause further divisions.

So you are back to square one ... which dialect of Cyprus are you going to standardise?

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Oracle wrote:Please realise that ALL languages have regional dialects


Bafitiga is a regional dialect of Cypriot in that case.


Yes, there are many. They are the everyday language of people. Just as Brummie is a dialect in GB, but Standardised English is the Official legal and Governing language, which unifies all the regions through a common grammar and lexicon.



The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:which are culturally important and are maintained through common daily usage; but the unifying thing is to have a standardised language, by which everyone can communicate effectively (from Paphos to Nicosia), and by which Laws are passed. That is how Britain became Great (as an unfortunate example, but one with which you might be more familiar).


Yes. English, which as you claim, has 30% of its words deriving from Greek would make the best official language for this purpose. But that doesn't mean we should neglect the Cypriot.


We have one which is 100% Greek. Cypriot dialects are not neglected. They are used daily by interacts who understand the specific dialect (otherwise people resort to commonly understood standardised Greek).

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:(But the ONE Official language of Cyprus will be Standardised Greek)


Standardised by who?


Already accomplished.


By who?


By the Greek speaking people.


You mean by Athens.


And you prefer what? .... by North London!
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:37 pm

Oracle wrote:
You immediately dissented when I proposed an alternative regional dialect, Paphitika. Fine. That's what I expected!

It proved you had not thought through, that not everyone would approve of your chosen dialect above all those others currently available.


I don't care if you don't approve. I don't want your approval. In fact, if you did approve, I'd be worried.

I'm not imposing my Cypriot on anyone. You think too much of me. People can use it if they wish.

And it's not my chosen dialect. It's my chosen language. You have a problem with that, you cultural imperialist Greek? You have a problem with me using and speaking my Cypriot?

Oracle wrote:Your chosen dialect, which you call "Gibraika"


You call it Gibraika because you're a Greek and you can't speak it. I call it Gibreiga.

Oracle wrote:doesn't represent all Cypriots and it's therefore not "unifying" as you naively propose (or bill c.)


Yes. That's right, O. Get your facts right before jumping in without thinking, and attacking Cypriots like the junta did in 1974. Because I won't stand for it. No more interference from the likes of you, you hear? It represents me... and I'm the Cypriot, OK?

Oracle wrote:but on the contrary, liable to cause further divisions.

So you are back to square one ... which dialect of Cyprus are you going to standardise?


We've already standardised the language. And called it 'Cypriot'. No one else has. End of story.

If other people want to standardise their version of the language then fine by me.

Since you seem to think it's a mere dialect, what is your problem? Leave me alone! Leave the Cypriot alone to enjoy his language! He never troubled anyone. He just wanted to enjoy life in peace, enjoying his batihan and hallumin.


Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Bafitiga is a regional dialect of Cypriot in that case.


Yes, there are many. They are the everyday language of people. Just as Brummie is a dialect in GB, but Standardised English is the Official legal and Governing language, which unifies all the regions through a common grammar and lexicon.


And the unifying language of the Cypriot Academy is Cypriot. And you're not a member. And the unifying language of all Cypriots is English if they want a unifying language. And if they don't they can carry on speaking their inferior versions of Greek and Turkish.


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The Cypriot wrote:Yes. English, which as you claim, has 30% of its words deriving from Greek would make the best official language for this purpose. But that doesn't mean we should neglect the Cypriot.


We have one which is 100% Greek.


And I have one which is, unlike you, 100% Cypriot! And I prefer my one. I mean, if that's all right with you?


Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:You mean by Athens.


And you prefer what? .... by North London!


The spirit of Cyprus must live on somewhere, while cultural imperialists try and impose their will on us and occupy our lands.
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