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What is this rubbish re? You are for laughs...

[The Cypriot]

What is this rubbish re? You are for laughs...

...said astonomers to Copernicus, when he came up with this:



instead of this...



But Copernicus had the last laugh...

[Oracle]

Can I just put to bed this notion that North London Cypriot differs to any great extent from the CY spoken in CY and that it should therefore be regarded as a dialect of mainstream CY. Here in GB we have certainly acquired a number of words that are distinctive to our GB environment in the perfectly natural way that any Language of the People acquires new words. The fifty odd years or so since the birth of the London/GB CY community probably hasn't been long enough to develop a distinct dialect.

It is a distinct dialect as it is discernible as such. The fact it has many Anglicised words in the lexicon and more particularly, because the pronunciation is Angliphied, it can be considered as another dialect of Greek, with strongest similarity to most regional dialects in Cyprus.

Since the Academy's attempts to call it a language is based on writing it phonetically ... the pronunciation element is paramount!

The phrases and sayings that we use here in London are identical to those used in CY CY (see the section on the Academy site above for a long list of phrases). So we have a situation where a 100% Urban Community (London CYs) uses sayings and phrases derived exclusively from the old CY village environment.

They can't be "identical" because there are many variations in Cyprus alone!

Agreed that London CY has acquired a small number of words from English.... In much the same way as Greek, German and even French(!) - we are not going to call French a Dialect of English are we now?

Nope, those are national languages, just as the national language of Cyprus is Greek. Your "London CY" is another dialect of Greek.

Cypriot as spoken/PRONOUNCED by Londoners and anyone else in the Diaspora, is an ACCENT.

No problem! Try developing a satisfactory phonological representation of the infinite variations of London CY as spoken by those in Wood Green compared to those in Finchley

Finchley Cypriot! Wood Green Cypriot! Croydon Cypriot! London Green Belt Cypriot! ( ) Still a matter (probably class-based; petit bourgeois versus proletariat) of ACCENT. ..................Gori!

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Your accentuation or intonation although impact on your delivery, are still subject to your pronunciation. Your dialectic pronunciation is what phonological representation, with graphemes, can capture ... not your accent (might be nasal), but your pronunciation ("th" as in "this" or "dis", for example).

[Oracle]

A mother must love her child enough to know when to let it go. Unfortunately Greek mothers never do...

I love Cyprus. I will never let it go!

[bill cobbett]

Can I just put to bed this notion that North London Cypriot differs to any great extent from the CY spoken in CY and that it should therefore be regarded as a dialect of mainstream CY. Here in GB we have certainly acquired a number of words that are distinctive to our GB environment in the perfectly natural way that any Language of the People acquires new words. The fifty odd years or so since the birth of the London/GB CY community probably hasn't been long enough to develop a distinct dialect.

It is a distinct dialect as it is discernible as such. The fact it has many Anglicised words in the lexicon and more particularly, because the pronunciation is Angliphied, it can be considered as another dialect of Greek, with strongest similarity to most regional dialects in Cyprus.

Since the Academy's attempts to call it a language is based on writing it phonetically ... the pronunciation element is paramount!

The phrases and sayings that we use here in London are identical to those used in CY CY (see the section on the Academy site above for a long list of phrases). So we have a situation where a 100% Urban Community (London CYs) uses sayings and phrases derived exclusively from the old CY village environment.

They can't be "identical" because there are many variations in Cyprus alone!

Agreed that London CY has acquired a small number of words from English.... In much the same way as Greek, German and even French(!) - we are not going to call French a Dialect of English are we now?

Nope, those are national languages, just as the national language of Cyprus is Greek. Your "London CY" is another dialect of Greek.

Cypriot as spoken/PRONOUNCED by Londoners and anyone else in the Diaspora, is an ACCENT.

No problem! Try developing a satisfactory phonological representation of the infinite variations of London CY as spoken by those in Wood Green compared to those in Finchley

Finchley Cypriot! Wood Green Cypriot! Croydon Cypriot! London Green Belt Cypriot! ( ) Still a matter (probably class-based; petit bourgeois versus proletariat) of ACCENT. ..................Gori!

..............................

Your accentuation or intonation although impact on your delivery, are still subject to your pronunciation. Your dialectic pronunciation is what phonological representation, with graphemes, can capture ... not your accent (might be nasal), but your pronunciation ("th" as in "this" or "dis", for example).

A word is coming to mind ... Sounds like prodigy .... Erm .... Prosody ..... or is it .... Prodosy ..... must look it up.

[Oracle]

Can I just put to bed this notion that North London Cypriot differs to any great extent from the CY spoken in CY and that it should therefore be regarded as a dialect of mainstream CY. Here in GB we have certainly acquired a number of words that are distinctive to our GB environment in the perfectly natural way that any Language of the People acquires new words. The fifty odd years or so since the birth of the London/GB CY community probably hasn't been long enough to develop a distinct dialect.

It is a distinct dialect as it is discernible as such. The fact it has many Anglicised words in the lexicon and more particularly, because the pronunciation is Angliphied, it can be considered as another dialect of Greek, with strongest similarity to most regional dialects in Cyprus.

Since the Academy's attempts to call it a language is based on writing it phonetically ... the pronunciation element is paramount!

The phrases and sayings that we use here in London are identical to those used in CY CY (see the section on the Academy site above for a long list of phrases). So we have a situation where a 100% Urban Community (London CYs) uses sayings and phrases derived exclusively from the old CY village environment.

They can't be "identical" because there are many variations in Cyprus alone!

Agreed that London CY has acquired a small number of words from English.... In much the same way as Greek, German and even French(!) - we are not going to call French a Dialect of English are we now?

Nope, those are national languages, just as the national language of Cyprus is Greek. Your "London CY" is another dialect of Greek.

Cypriot as spoken/PRONOUNCED by Londoners and anyone else in the Diaspora, is an ACCENT.

No problem! Try developing a satisfactory phonological representation of the infinite variations of London CY as spoken by those in Wood Green compared to those in Finchley

Finchley Cypriot! Wood Green Cypriot! Croydon Cypriot! London Green Belt Cypriot! ( ) Still a matter (probably class-based; petit bourgeois versus proletariat) of ACCENT. ..................Gori!

..............................

Your accentuation or intonation although impact on your delivery, are still subject to your pronunciation. Your dialectic pronunciation is what phonological representation, with graphemes, can capture ... not your accent (might be nasal), but your pronunciation ("th" as in "this" or "dis", for example).

A word is coming to mind ... Sounds like prodigy .... Erm .... Prosody ..... or is it .... Prodosy ..... must look it up.

OK ... go back to writing like Chaucer then! Is Cypriot only fit for tales?

[The Cypriot]

A mother must love her child enough to know when to let it go. Unfortunately Greek mothers never do...

I love Cyprus. I will never let it go!

God help poor Gibrulla... She's 49 now, and still living in your box room.

You tried arranging a forced marriage for her when she was only 14... but she resisted and some horrible drugged up bastard took the opportunity to have his evil way with her.

She's never been the same since. And even now, whenever she tries to be more independent, you just slap her down.

[bill cobbett]

What I find interesting are the relationships between language, culture, communities and even perhaps the individual. All interconnected.

Question. Do those who "standardise" languages, those who seek to control languages also seek to control the culture and to manipulate society and the behaviour of the individual towards a preferred end?

[The Cypriot]

Question. Do those who "standardise" languages, those who seek to control languages also seek to control the culture and to manipulate society and the behaviour of the individual towards a preferred end?

That, to me, is an excellent rhetorical question, Bill.

[Oracle]

What I find interesting are the relationships between language, culture, communities and even perhaps the individual. All interconnected.

It's our only distinguishing feature, brother Ape!

Question. Do those who "standardise" languages, those who seek to control languages also seek to control the culture and to manipulate society and the behaviour of the individual towards a preferred end?

That's why you have to question the motives of those who suddenly wish to downplay the language we have had for millennia. Of course it changes to fit developments and influences ... but Greek is one of the least corrupted languages in the World!

The Brits knew exactly what they were doing when they imposed Turkish on this eons old Greek-speaking Island.

Turkish has divided this island ... our legacy from the British Empire which never wanted to see us succeed as Greek-speaking, free-thinking competitors!