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[Nikitas]

VP, the idea of a good negotiator is to offer something the other side finds better than the status quo.

Proposing that 500 000 settlers stay, while GCs do not regain their properties is obviously not one of t hose enticing things in place of the status quo.

Try another one.

[The Cypriot]

Turkey is here to stay the only way you can get rid of her is to agree bring to end talks and agree a solution otherwise if all you do is talk Turkey will be around for longer than you thinkmaybe forever, these talks will end by the end of this year.

You may be right.

But how will they end? If fundamental elements – insisted on by Turkey – are not resolved?

[shahmaran]

Hopefully the world will realize that the Greeks are just a bunch of non negotiable bastards and they will give up on you

We can't be isolated for ever...

[The Cypriot]

Hopefully the world will realize that the Greeks are just a bunch of non negotiable bastards and they will give up on you

Greece isn't negotiating. But is this what you're hoping for? That if free Cypriots don't give in to Tukey's demands the world will give up on them? What will that mean in practice?

We can't be isolated for ever...

How will this situation be changed? I really want to try and understand the game plan. Has it been properly thought through? Or is it all based on hope?

[Nikitas]

OK clever ones of the forum- do you know of any other European state that has been forced to accept settlers to the proportion of 50 per cent of its population?

Do you know of any European state that has foreign soldiers permanently stationed on its territory?

Do you know of one single European state that has its independence guaranteed by other states?

Can you name one modern state that has all the above features?

[Murataga]

OK clever ones of the forum- do you know of any other European state that has been forced to accept settlers to the proportion of 50 per cent of its population?

FYI...

Do you know of any European state that has foreign soldiers permanently stationed on its territory?

Do you know of one single European state that has its independence guaranteed by other states?

Can you name one modern state that has all the above features?

Do you know of any European state that has participated to the EU negotiation process in which that state has denied the seat/attendance to its vice-president (with the constitutional right to veto the decision of the president) and declined/nullified the attendance of its MPs to the House of Representatives?

FYI...

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

7. The Turkish Cypriot members requested UNIFCYP to extend its good offices to enable them to receive information about time of meeting of the House, and to make arrangements for the Turkish Cypriot members to attend such meetings in safety. They specified that, if officially invited and notified about matters to be concerned, as required by the constitution, they would be prepared to attendParliament on all questions, not only the two bills now pending.

8. The special Representative conveyed this position to Mr. Clerides, the President of the House of Representatives, who stated that the Turkish Cypriot members could attend provided agreement were reached beforehand on the following points:

(a) the Turkish Cypriot members would resume permanently rather than only for the purpose of the present debate;

(b) The Turkish Cypriot members would accept that the laws enacted by the House of Representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus, including the Turkish areas, by the Government using the normal authorized administrative organs;

(c) While the Greek Cypriot members would regard attendance at the House by the Turkish Cypriot members as implying recognition by them of the present Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriot members would not be called upon to make a statement to that effect, and the Greek Cypriots would likewise refrain from making any such statements on the record of the House;

(d) It must be understood that the provision in Article article 78 of the constitution concerning separate majorities had been abolished and every member of the House would have one vote for all decisions.

9. Mr. Clerides informed UNIFCYP that he was prepared to discuss the situation during the afternoon of 22 July with a group of Turkish Cypriot members of the House. He subsequently indicated, however, that he would not receive this delegation if they came escorted by UIFCYP soldiers, though he would not object to their being brought to his office in an UNIFCYP automobile driven by an UNIFCYP employee. Finally, Mr. Clerides stated that unless the Turkish Cypriot members accepted the conditions laid down by him, he found it pointless to supply them copies of the pending bills.

10. The Special Representative transmitted the position of the President of the House to Vice-President Kuchuk and to certain Turkish Cypriot members of the House. The Turkish Cypriots considered that the conditions laid down by Mr. Clerides would eliminate the constitutional rights of the Turkish Cypriot members and of their community. They emphasized in particular that, under the constitution, only the President and Vice-President jointly challenge the constitutionality of a law (article 140). In the case of legislation designed contrary to the interests of his community, the Vice-President was entitled to institute action (article 141). However, since the government had stated that it no longer recognized Dr. Kuchuk in his capacity as Vice-President, this latter provision of the constitution was inapplicable in practice.

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

[Nikitas]

Murat,

The question posted concern the visions of a solution that the TC side is promoting.

The situation since 1963 is basically a SNAFU and cannot be blamed on one side alone. Would the TCs be ready to relinquish the TRNC if their 1960 rights were fully restored? I think not and that gives a perfect excuse to the GC side to claim special circumstances re some articles of the constitution.