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[Oracle]

Yes dear ... you can usually tell how "misguided" demonstrators are by what they are marching against.

Since when did marching against the Turkish occupation become synonymous with the nonsense photos you posted above as a comparison?

The reason they are misguided has already been discussed in this thread. And you yourself agreed it too.

The reason they are marching is not misguided. The extremists in the above photos may be marching for just reasons too. Jobs, housing, rejection of political correctness, positive discrimination, ghettos, immigrant crime, erosion of indigenous culture, etc.

I am not going to have another rehearsed argument with you yet again, Oracle. It's tiresome. And I've concluded you're not worth it, as you're just talking nonsense and spoiling for a fight. Find someone else. There are plenty of others you despise on this forum, and more importantly despise you, that may be happy to oblige.

I don't despise anyone and I certainly would not discuss anything with anyone whom I felt that way about!

What is tiresome for you, is that you have had to defend your many nonsense positions on the Greek language and ethnicity. The numerous holes in your arguments have been pointed out!

So, I will leave you to re-think your position which wears you out to defend (due to being indefensible) ...

Kαλή αντάμωση!

[miltiades]

"""Kαλή αντάμωση! ""

So you speak Greek !!

[pappy_sydney]

miltiades said

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Our flag is the one that the RoC displays on international forums , the flag that we can confidently describe as the one that represents all Cypriots , the flag that is in line with our stated position ie that the RoC is the government of all Cypriots and the flag that the EU recognises as the one of the RoC.
The Greek flag is just that , the Greek flag.

Yes the Cypriot flag is our flag but the Greek flag denotes our ethnicity, culture, history, language and religion. How can you think that is nonsense? Remember our anthem is also the Greek National Anthem..

[Get Real!]

Yes the Cypriot flag is our flag but the Greek flag denotes our ethnicity, culture, history, language and religion. How can you think that is nonsense? Remember our anthem is also the Greek National Anthem..

Another person with a Greek cucumber shoved up his arse who now thinks he's a Spartan!

Must be contagious...

[miltiades]

miltiades said

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Our flag is the one that the RoC displays on international forums , the flag that we can confidently describe as the one that represents all Cypriots , the flag that is in line with our stated position ie that the RoC is the government of all Cypriots and the flag that the EU recognises as the one of the RoC.
The Greek flag is just that , the Greek flag.

Yes the Cypriot flag is our flag but the Greek flag denotes our ethnicity, culture, history, language and religion. How can you think that is nonsense? Remember our anthem is also the Greek National Anthem..

Our national anthem is one of the main reasons division exists in Cyprus.
On the one hand we declare passionately to the world that we are an independent nation and that Cyprus is the homeland of all Cypriots and on the other we tell the non G/Cs to fuck off !!!
Its time we get our act together and this has to come from the government which of course daresn t take such action because of all the so called Greeks who will be up in arms. Hypocritical actions are not constructive in finding a solution. The same nonsense also applies to those T/Cs who consider Turkey as their motherland , I'm pleased to note that there many T/Cs who see only Cyprus as their homeland , are we to expect them to stand to attention whenever the GNA is played .

[The Cypriot]

Our national anthem is one of the main reasons division exists in Cyprus.
On the one hand we declare passionately to the world that we are an independent nation and that Cyprus is the homeland of all Cypriots and on the other we tell the non G/Cs to fuck off !!!
Its time we get our act together and this has to come from the government which of course daresn t take such action because of all the so called Greeks who will be up in arms. Hypocritical actions are not constructive in finding a solution. The same nonsense also applies to those T/Cs who consider Turkey as their motherland , I'm pleased to note that there many T/Cs who see only Cyprus as their homeland , are we to expect them to stand to attention whenever the GNA is played .

As an interim alternative, pending a solution, the existing anthem could be modified as follows:

Σε γνωρίζω από την κόψη του σπαθιού την τρομερή
Σε γνωρίζω από την όψη που με βία μετράει την γη
Απ’ τα κόκκαλα βγαλμένη των Κυπραίων τα ιερά
Και σαν πρώτα ανδρειωμένη, χαίρε ω χαίρε Ελευθεριά.

[The Cypriot]

F.A.O President Christofias

Your Excellency

I should like to congratulate you on your tireless and intelligent efforts to secure the reunification of Cyprus, efforts which I believe are slowly bearing fruit.

With this in mind, I write regarding the continuing use of the Greek National Anthem in Cyprus.

It has no place (and certainly should have no official place) in a state that, with all legitimacy, holds itself to be the homeland of all Cypriots.

This is not a criticism of Solomos’s wonderfully evocative lyrics about the extraction of Liberty from the sacred bones of the Greeks. But how can Cypriots who do not regard themselves as ethnically or culturally Greek be expected to embrace this?

As an interim alternative, pending a solution, the existing anthem could be modified as follows:

Σε γνωρίζω από την κόψη του σπαθιού την τρομερή
Σε γνωρίζω από την όψη που με βία μετράει την γη
Απ’ τα κόκκαλα βγαλμένη των Κυπραίων τα ιερά
Και σαν πρώτα ανδρειωμένη, χαίρε ω χαίρε Ελευθεριά

I do hope you will take this suggestion seriously and consider taking yet another brave step forward in achieving national unity.

Kind regards
The Cypriot

[Viewpoint]

F.A.O President Christofias

Your Excellency

I should like to congratulate you on your tireless and intelligent efforts to secure the reunification of Cyprus, efforts which I believe are slowly bearing fruit.

With this in mind, I write regarding the continuing use of the Greek National Anthem in Cyprus.

It has no place (and certainly should have no official place) in a state that, with all legitimacy, holds itself to be the homeland of all Cypriots.

This is not a criticism of Solomos’s wonderfully evocative lyrics about the extraction of Liberty from the sacred bones of the Greeks. But how can Cypriots who do not regard themselves as ethnically or culturally Greek be expected to embrace this?

As an interim alternative, pending a solution, the existing anthem could be modified as follows:

Σε γνωρίζω από την κόψη του σπαθιού την τρομερή
Σε γνωρίζω από την όψη που με βία μετράει την γη
Απ’ τα κόκκαλα βγαλμένη των Κυπραίων τα ιερά
Και σαν πρώτα ανδρειωμένη, χαίρε ω χαίρε Ελευθεριά

I do hope you will take this suggestion seriously and consider taking yet another brave step forward in achieving national unity.

Kind regards
The Cypriot

Great try...your pigs appear to be craping all over you people.

[Filitsa]

Dear The Cypriot,

Here I am "a woman of a certain age," and all of sudden I find myself amidst an identity crisis thanks to the likes of you.

I appreciate that which is unique to the Cypriot culture as opposed to the Greek culture. I also appreciate that which is similar. In terms of language, sure, your k's and p's are pronounced harder and you throw in the ch and j sounds, but so do the Cretans.

My grandfather was born in Cyprus at the turn of the Twentieth Century. He perceived himself to be a Greek Cypriot. In 1918, he immigrated to the U.S. and sought a Greek community, not Turkish or Armenian, in which to live. He identified with the Greeks and married one although there were enough Cypriot women to choose from. If he were here today, would you deny his Greek ethnicity? Would you discount him as a Cypriot because of his perceived "Greekness"?

I sincerely don't understand the need to deny one's ethnicity in order to be considered Cypriot. Perhaps this is because I'm from America where I may celebrate my ethnic heritage without repercussion. I'm hoping you may help me to understand your point of view better.

Regards,
F~

[miltiades]

The Cypriot will reply to your points no doubt Filitsa.

May I also make a point here.
To be a Cypriot first and foremost does not exclude being a Greek Cypriot , a Turkish Cypriot , Armenian Cypriot etc.
Your grandfather on his arrival in the USA did exactly what every other immigrant did . Looked for his own community , a perfectly understandable and natural selection. I doubt whether he ever denied that he was a Greek Cypriot and neither did any other immigrant.
The issue here is the fact that our island is now an independent island and where at the time your grandfather emigrated to the USA aspirations were alive and dreams were being encouraged of Enosis with Greece , today those aspiring and dreaming of Enosis are a tiny minority. We have been independent , or since the invasion a part of Cyprus at least , for almost 50 years. It is time to embrace our nation and time to reassess our commitment to our OWN nation and our own destiny as a nation made up of G/Cs T/Cs and many others , just as for instance the UK having English , Welsh Scottish etc.

As far as the Greek national anthem the matter is simple. It does not represent all Cypriots therefore it is not what to other nations their NA is , a uniting symbol , the opposite in fact is the result . It divides the people of Cyprus , time therefore to ditch it , time for a NA reflecting the Cypriot people .