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[denizaksulu]

Not being Cypriot and having no axe to grind against either side of the green line i have visited areas of the occupied north to look for myself at the countryside and villages that were once mixed communities.
I want to know why such disgraceful behaviour on the part of the occupiers took place??
I refer to the destruction and desecration of Christian churches and even worse in my mind, the destruction and vandalism of Christian Graveyards.
What were you afraid of? the dead can harm no one. They represent no threat yet you have destroyed graves and vandalised them - for what?
Used them as goat pens....these are the actions of Barbarians.
You want tourism, but mainly from christian countries i suspect, and this is how you treat the dead?

I also note that in the South the Mosques there i have visited are in good order and some have even been renovated.
Is this the way your God tells you to respect others? Eternal Shame on you.

I think that Turkey wishes to perpetuate the myth that Cyprus has always been divided into a Turkish north and a Greek south, and in order to perpetuate this myth requires to remove all evidence that contradicts this. I think Turkey is succeeding in creating this impression. Speak to many foreigners who have a casual acquaintance with Cyprus and you will find that they believe that the island has always been divided along ethnic lines as it is now, and that the north has always been populated by Turks.

Tim
You are fairly new to Cyprus so naturally you wouldn't know..This "removing the evidence of other communities past" has been practiced by GC's long time ago..
Up until the end of 19th century there used to be only muslim villages occupied by ancestors of TC's in Cyprus.Each and every one of these villages had a small or a large mosque and a cemetery...Where are they now?
Captain H.H Kitchener's Trigonometric map of Cyprus dated 1882 is an excellent evidence for the above claim.

Iceman, I am not quite sure I understand what exactly you are talking about. Can you be more specific and give us some examples of such villages, and also a link to the said map? So far I knew that a good number of mosques in Cyprus were previously Christian churches, and this is also evident by their architectural style, beside other historical accounts, but it’s the first time I hear that exclusively Muslim villages were overtaken by Greek Cypriots and their mosques destroyed.

Kifeas
During Ottoman occupation in Cyprus,there used to be villages with mix population there were also villages occupied by either only Christian population or only Muslim population..
H.H.Kitcheners map published in 1882 clearly states these villages and their population status by religion..(as well as their names use by each population)
Some of the place names Turkish administration started using after 1974 are the names which had been used for centuries..some examples are Chatal Keuy (Ayios Epiktitos) or Arap Keuy (Klepini) Ay Ghroush (Ayios Amvrosios) these villages in Kyrenia region used to have mixed population at the time the map was made but later on Turkish population and their remains vanished from these villages.
Plenty of examples i cannot remember individually now..examples of only TC villages which in time the TC population vanished and they became only GC villages with no sign of the TC's ever existing there..Like Akathu...Not many people know Akathu was a TC village..
Anyway...the H.H.Kitcheners map is not online but i have a detailed copy of it on a CD..
If interested in a copy send me a PM..
I cannot upload all of the map because its made up of loads of files (146 to be more precise) but i am uploading the index to give you an idea of what i mentioned about displaying population info as well as names used by both communities..

Iceman ... his maps were produced in haste and deemed unreliable by historians, when compared to other sources from that time.

O, dearest, are we allowed to ask for 'credible evidence' to your statement?

Kitchener was reknown for the use of triangulation for accurate cartography. Your above statement seems a bit iffy!. Honestly , we do not mind to prove the allegation.

[Oracle]

Not being Cypriot and having no axe to grind against either side of the green line i have visited areas of the occupied north to look for myself at the countryside and villages that were once mixed communities.
I want to know why such disgraceful behaviour on the part of the occupiers took place??
I refer to the destruction and desecration of Christian churches and even worse in my mind, the destruction and vandalism of Christian Graveyards.
What were you afraid of? the dead can harm no one. They represent no threat yet you have destroyed graves and vandalised them - for what?
Used them as goat pens....these are the actions of Barbarians.
You want tourism, but mainly from christian countries i suspect, and this is how you treat the dead?

I also note that in the South the Mosques there i have visited are in good order and some have even been renovated.
Is this the way your God tells you to respect others? Eternal Shame on you.

I think that Turkey wishes to perpetuate the myth that Cyprus has always been divided into a Turkish north and a Greek south, and in order to perpetuate this myth requires to remove all evidence that contradicts this. I think Turkey is succeeding in creating this impression. Speak to many foreigners who have a casual acquaintance with Cyprus and you will find that they believe that the island has always been divided along ethnic lines as it is now, and that the north has always been populated by Turks.

Tim
You are fairly new to Cyprus so naturally you wouldn't know..This "removing the evidence of other communities past" has been practiced by GC's long time ago..
Up until the end of 19th century there used to be only muslim villages occupied by ancestors of TC's in Cyprus.Each and every one of these villages had a small or a large mosque and a cemetery...Where are they now?
Captain H.H Kitchener's Trigonometric map of Cyprus dated 1882 is an excellent evidence for the above claim.

Iceman, I am not quite sure I understand what exactly you are talking about. Can you be more specific and give us some examples of such villages, and also a link to the said map? So far I knew that a good number of mosques in Cyprus were previously Christian churches, and this is also evident by their architectural style, beside other historical accounts, but it’s the first time I hear that exclusively Muslim villages were overtaken by Greek Cypriots and their mosques destroyed.

Kifeas
During Ottoman occupation in Cyprus,there used to be villages with mix population there were also villages occupied by either only Christian population or only Muslim population..
H.H.Kitcheners map published in 1882 clearly states these villages and their population status by religion..(as well as their names use by each population)
Some of the place names Turkish administration started using after 1974 are the names which had been used for centuries..some examples are Chatal Keuy (Ayios Epiktitos) or Arap Keuy (Klepini) Ay Ghroush (Ayios Amvrosios) these villages in Kyrenia region used to have mixed population at the time the map was made but later on Turkish population and their remains vanished from these villages.
Plenty of examples i cannot remember individually now..examples of only TC villages which in time the TC population vanished and they became only GC villages with no sign of the TC's ever existing there..Like Akathu...Not many people know Akathu was a TC village..
Anyway...the H.H.Kitcheners map is not online but i have a detailed copy of it on a CD..
If interested in a copy send me a PM..
I cannot upload all of the map because its made up of loads of files (146 to be more precise) but i am uploading the index to give you an idea of what i mentioned about displaying population info as well as names used by both communities..

Iceman ... his maps were produced in haste and deemed unreliable by historians, when compared to other sources from that time.

O, dearest, are we allowed to ask for 'credible evidence' to your statement?

Kitchener was reknown for the use of triangulation for accurate cartography. Your above statement seems a bit iffy!. Honestly , we do not mind to prove the allegation.

I've already posted it, but here you are again (for the slower ones)

The roads of ancient Cyprus By Tønnes Bekker-Nielsen

He is a Historian and Senior lecturer in Denmark (I think) ... you can Google his book and from Amazon, or search with "Kitchener Cyprus" to get the right pages.

[denizaksulu]

Not being Cypriot and having no axe to grind against either side of the green line i have visited areas of the occupied north to look for myself at the countryside and villages that were once mixed communities.
I want to know why such disgraceful behaviour on the part of the occupiers took place??
I refer to the destruction and desecration of Christian churches and even worse in my mind, the destruction and vandalism of Christian Graveyards.
What were you afraid of? the dead can harm no one. They represent no threat yet you have destroyed graves and vandalised them - for what?
Used them as goat pens....these are the actions of Barbarians.
You want tourism, but mainly from christian countries i suspect, and this is how you treat the dead?

I also note that in the South the Mosques there i have visited are in good order and some have even been renovated.
Is this the way your God tells you to respect others? Eternal Shame on you.

I think that Turkey wishes to perpetuate the myth that Cyprus has always been divided into a Turkish north and a Greek south, and in order to perpetuate this myth requires to remove all evidence that contradicts this. I think Turkey is succeeding in creating this impression. Speak to many foreigners who have a casual acquaintance with Cyprus and you will find that they believe that the island has always been divided along ethnic lines as it is now, and that the north has always been populated by Turks.

Tim
You are fairly new to Cyprus so naturally you wouldn't know..This "removing the evidence of other communities past" has been practiced by GC's long time ago..
Up until the end of 19th century there used to be only muslim villages occupied by ancestors of TC's in Cyprus.Each and every one of these villages had a small or a large mosque and a cemetery...Where are they now?
Captain H.H Kitchener's Trigonometric map of Cyprus dated 1882 is an excellent evidence for the above claim.

Iceman, I am not quite sure I understand what exactly you are talking about. Can you be more specific and give us some examples of such villages, and also a link to the said map? So far I knew that a good number of mosques in Cyprus were previously Christian churches, and this is also evident by their architectural style, beside other historical accounts, but it’s the first time I hear that exclusively Muslim villages were overtaken by Greek Cypriots and their mosques destroyed.

Kifeas
During Ottoman occupation in Cyprus,there used to be villages with mix population there were also villages occupied by either only Christian population or only Muslim population..
H.H.Kitcheners map published in 1882 clearly states these villages and their population status by religion..(as well as their names use by each population)
Some of the place names Turkish administration started using after 1974 are the names which had been used for centuries..some examples are Chatal Keuy (Ayios Epiktitos) or Arap Keuy (Klepini) Ay Ghroush (Ayios Amvrosios) these villages in Kyrenia region used to have mixed population at the time the map was made but later on Turkish population and their remains vanished from these villages.
Plenty of examples i cannot remember individually now..examples of only TC villages which in time the TC population vanished and they became only GC villages with no sign of the TC's ever existing there..Like Akathu...Not many people know Akathu was a TC village..
Anyway...the H.H.Kitcheners map is not online but i have a detailed copy of it on a CD..
If interested in a copy send me a PM..
I cannot upload all of the map because its made up of loads of files (146 to be more precise) but i am uploading the index to give you an idea of what i mentioned about displaying population info as well as names used by both communities..

Iceman ... his maps were produced in haste and deemed unreliable by historians, when compared to other sources from that time.

O, dearest, are we allowed to ask for 'credible evidence' to your statement?

Kitchener was reknown for the use of triangulation for accurate cartography. Your above statement seems a bit iffy!. Honestly , we do not mind to prove the allegation.

I've already posted it, but here you are again (for the slower ones)

The roads of ancient Cyprus By Tønnes Bekker-Nielsen

He is a Historian and Senior lecturer in Denmark (I think) ... you can Google his book and from Amazon, or search with "Kitchener Cyprus" to get the right pages.

Thanks O.

[Oracle]

A man of mystery ...


(... well it would have been if you hadn't edited three times )

[Oracle]

Two worthwhile neutral contributors, BOF and Tim, present some independent observations from the occupied north ... and the maggots (runaway, YFred, etc ...) crawl out to ruin the thread with their inane views, in case anyone has any doubts they are the lowest life-forms.

fuck off old hairy ugly moron murderer south cypriot orospu

You forgot "Greek"

[Floda]

Two worthwhile neutral contributors, BOF and Tim, present some independent observations from the occupied north ... and the maggots (runaway, YFred, etc ...) crawl out to ruin the thread with their inane views, in case anyone has any doubts they are the lowest life-forms.

fuck off old hairy ugly moron murderer south cypriot orospu

You forgot "Greek"

A wonderful example of superior intellect Oracle, congratulations.

[repulsewarrior]

shall i put latest pictures of the Turkish Cypriots monumets , cemeteries . mosques again in here to show how u are making just propaganda ......

If it's true, then i condemn it... Hear that? I CONDEMN IT. If it's just you doing your job for bayrak then I condemn you.

Do YOU condemn the destruction of Cypriot heritage in the north. One word answer:

YES or NO?

Yaaaa So called Cypriot ...... Both sides of the Cyprus suffered from this stupid games of you Sir .... keep try to show only one side of the coin .....

Only one side suffered in the stupid game of Cyprus (not my game); the Cypriots. The 'Greeks' and 'Turks' caused the problems and both had it coming, geddit?

So what side are you on, halil?

CYPRIOT ...............CYPRIOTS are they only Greeks ? .

Where did I say that? Where have I once mentioned GREEKS? Cypriots are from Cyprus. Greeks are from Greece. And Turks should f- off back to Turkey. Geddit? That's the stupid game we played before and lost... and you're still playing it.

Cypriot heritage ..... are they only Christians ?

No. Where did I say that? You only read what you want to read. And only write what the Turks tell you to.

shall we start to our little game again ....... ?????????????

What game? You started it already by labelling me Greek. I'm Cypriot, geddit? CYPRIOT. And if you were too we could start getting out of this unholy mess together.

my Cypriot

you are clear; the way.

we are an island, its dwellers
maybe "Greeks" and "Turks"
but... Cyprus belongs to no one
and it is to be cherished

lol the ones who dare not
to speak of the injustice (here
or anywhere) but
for themselves, ...so many
souls have died as waste

Lest We Forget

we suffer beneath Humanity
i hug you and i kiss you
still. be happy, you serve

[Get Real!]

Speaking of Kitchener...

Lord Kitchener arrived on HMS Humber on October 17, 1878 and commented:

"...the island had been in a thoroughly exhausted and ruined condition, for the Turkish system took all it could and gave nothing in return.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 5&cat_id=5

[Nikitas]

Interesting discovery GR. It concurs with comments by other visitors regarding the nature and effect of Ottoman administration in Cyprus and most of the empire. Of all the imperial regimes the Ottomans were probably the least creative and most neglectful of their subjects.

[The Cypriot]

Two worthwhile neutral contributors, BOF and Tim, present some independent observations from the occupied north ... and the maggots (runaway, YFred, etc ...) crawl out to ruin the thread with their inane views, in case anyone has any doubts they are the lowest life-forms.

fuck off old hairy ugly moron murderer south cypriot orospu

You forgot "Greek"

runaway, do you condemn the systematic desecration of those graves in the north by Turkey's military... like halil, Yfred, deniz and Kiks do?

Do you? Or are you just a foreigner from Istanbul, flying your foreign flag, who delights in the destruction of Cypriot heritage (on either side of the divide) and revels in the continuing animosity and pain of Cypriots (on either side of the divide)?

Do you condemn it, runaway?

One word answer. YES or NO?

And if you don't answer, your silence will condemn you.