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[Milo]

Oracle,

If you do not want to ask the residents of Gibraltar, who else will you ask? When Britain captured Gibraltar, it was the era of empires - the age of empires. Spain had their own empire; so should all the Spanish colonialists in South America be denied voting rights? Come on, you're just not being serious. Whether they are colonial settlers or not is irrelevant. Many of them have lived in Gibraltar for hundreds of years and have just as much say as any other. I'm sure you're not suggesting they have no human rights, are you?

Finally, the people of Gibraltar are not just British colonialists. They are a fusion of many nationalities:

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural fusion of the many European immigrants who came to the Rock over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants that came to Gibraltar after the majority of the Spanish population left in 1704. The few Spaniards who remained in Gibraltar in August 1704 were augmented by others who arrived in the fleet with Prince George of Hesse, possibly some two hundred in all, mostly Catalans.[50] By 1753 Genoese, Maltese, and Portuguese people formed the majority of this new population. Other groups include Minorcans (forced to leave their homes when Minorca was returned to Spain in 1783), Sardinians, Sicilians and other Italians, French, Germans, and the British. Immigration from Spain and intermarriage with Spaniards from the surrounding Spanish towns was a constant feature of Gibraltar's history until General Francisco Franco closed the border with Gibraltar, cutting off many Gibraltarians from their relatives on the Spanish side of the frontier. The Spanish socialist government reopened the land frontier, but other restrictions remain in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar#Demographics

A very good and fair reply - but as is well known she just hates anything to do with the British - apart from living there......

... I love the English, Scots and most Welsh people though ... Just the "Brits" are too much of a mixed bag to stomach .... especially when the only thing holding them together is a sense of an ongoing "British Empire".
Are you one of those BOF?

Are,nt the English, Scots and Welsh a mixed bag together called British? The Brits just being a shortened descriptive term, as for 'empire' what 'empire'?

The ones that were in the distance past that this generation have nothing at all to do with Like Spain France Germany Portugal etc etc. History thats called, some of it atrocious, but HISTORY is what it is.

I could,nt live in a country IF I hated its populace so obviously, niether could I stay in a country that hated me as a nationality,but in reality its usually just a few that have these opinions plus the greedy and the dishonest, there is a growing mixed bag of nationalities living full time in Cyprus now,, they feel some prejudice here but nothing too much, if they get any coming their way they tend to be the sort of human that cares little for rascist opinions anyway and as I do feel its the problem with the person giving them, than oneself. We know of some more nationalities coming now actually invited by the Cyprus Govt. to buy a property and get permanent residency, now thats a novel way around the EU immigration policy.



Off the Buy Sell website:

Immigration Permits to Non Europeans
20 Ιουλ 2009


The Department of Interior of Cyprus has adopted a new law whereby third country citizens (non Europeans) who legally purchase property in Cyprus, of a value that exceeds €300,000, will be entitled to apply for and receive an immigration permit.

An immigration permit is the equivalent to a permanent residence permit in Cyprus allowing holders to not be subject to time consuming immigration procedures.

The new measure is expected to boost property sales by providing an extra incentive to third country citizens to choose Cyprus as their investment destination.

[vaughanwilliams]

Don't forget that before and since the Falklands War, the populace there were given a referendum to choose their future. They chose to stay with Britain. Much as some may think this is the obvious choice of ex-colonialists, how else are we to determine the future of places like this, without disregarding the wish of the occupants?

[Oracle]

Are,nt the English, Scots and Welsh a mixed bag together called British? The Brits just being a shortened descriptive term, as for 'empire' what 'empire'?

But you seem to forget all those other people who are just as British as English, Scots and Welsh ... by virtue first of "Empire" (very many) and thereafter chosen immigration (very few).

.... or are those other Brits not as worth of a little corner of England to call their own?

[Oracle]

Don't forget that before and since the Falklands War, the populace there were given a referendum to choose their future. They chose to stay with Britain. Much as some may think this is the obvious choice of ex-colonialists, how else are we to determine the future of places like this, without disregarding the wish of the occupants?

The occupants were brought there by the Brits, as settlers to change the demographics for just such eventualities!

They will remain forever contested by Argentina or Spain [and in the case of Cyprus (SBAs) ... slightly different].

[vaughanwilliams]

We cannot turn the clock back, we are where we are. To make a decision over the heads of the people who count Gibraltar or The Falklands as their home would be undemocratic. You also need to understand that in many cases the Falklanders don't so much want to stay British, it's that they don't want to become Argentinians. Similarly in Gibraltar. Unfortunately, as they are such small places, full independance is not an option.

[vaughanwilliams]

Are,nt the English, Scots and Welsh a mixed bag together called British? The Brits just being a shortened descriptive term, as for 'empire' what 'empire'?

But you seem to forget all those other people who are just as British as English, Scots and Welsh ... by virtue first of "Empire" (very many) and thereafter chosen immigration (very few).

.... or are those other Brits not as worth of a little corner of England to call their own?

When Idi Amin kicked out all the British Asians in the 70's(?) they were found "a little corner" as were the Tristan da Cunhans when their volcano looked like errupting.

[Milo]

Are,nt the English, Scots and Welsh a mixed bag together called British? The Brits just being a shortened descriptive term, as for 'empire' what 'empire'?

But you seem to forget all those other people who are just as British as English, Scots and Welsh ... by virtue first of "Empire" (very many) and thereafter chosen immigration (very few).

.... or are those other Brits not as worth of a little corner of England to call their own?

All of em of course, but they are now British not Brits! Brits are the chavs and beetroots, slap headed tattoo football shirt wearing freaks that abound in an out of the UK imho and I do not wish to be part of that minority.

My OH is a naturalised British citizen too But he still could,nt get back into his own country with a UK passport, so not everyone loves us I know

But Gibralter is made up of many nationalities which makes it appealing, and any future should only be decided by the people who live there.

[Oracle]

We cannot turn the clock back, we are where we are. To make a decision over the heads of the people who count Gibraltar or The Falklands as their home would be undemocratic. You also need to understand that in many cases the Falklanders don't so much want to stay British, it's that they don't want to become Argentinians. Similarly in Gibraltar. Unfortunately, as they are such small places, full independance is not an option.

And since you said that, 3 TCs (most likely!) have sussed something and voted to give it independence.

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

whats Gibraltar?

DIV

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

whats Gibraltar?

DIV

its a yoghurt that lives in the fridge....silly!!!