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[roseandchan]

my question before answering would be , what does it cost the uk to keep it?
basically does the uk tax payer fund gib?

[Z4]

rosechan.....who is beetroot man??

[Svetlana]

an over tanned tourist (or ex-pat).

[BOF]

Well strangely enough the spanish minister is in Gibraltar for talks today!!
In a television interview he said that both sides stance on Gibraltar are well known but he is not here to discuss that.
He is there to discuss greater ties between Gibraltar and Spain following recent relaxing of the border controls......
so the thread is not really of interest to anyone apart from the originator - in the cosy BRITISH cotswolds .....

[Simon]

Oracle,

If you do not want to ask the residents of Gibraltar, who else will you ask? When Britain captured Gibraltar, it was the era of empires - the age of empires. Spain had their own empire; so should all the Spanish colonialists in South America be denied voting rights? Come on, you're just not being serious. Whether they are colonial settlers or not is irrelevant. Many of them have lived in Gibraltar for hundreds of years and have just as much say as any other. I'm sure you're not suggesting they have no human rights, are you?

Finally, the people of Gibraltar are not just British colonialists. They are a fusion of many nationalities:

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural fusion of the many European immigrants who came to the Rock over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants that came to Gibraltar after the majority of the Spanish population left in 1704. The few Spaniards who remained in Gibraltar in August 1704 were augmented by others who arrived in the fleet with Prince George of Hesse, possibly some two hundred in all, mostly Catalans.[50] By 1753 Genoese, Maltese, and Portuguese people formed the majority of this new population. Other groups include Minorcans (forced to leave their homes when Minorca was returned to Spain in 1783), Sardinians, Sicilians and other Italians, French, Germans, and the British. Immigration from Spain and intermarriage with Spaniards from the surrounding Spanish towns was a constant feature of Gibraltar's history until General Francisco Franco closed the border with Gibraltar, cutting off many Gibraltarians from their relatives on the Spanish side of the frontier. The Spanish socialist government reopened the land frontier, but other restrictions remain in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar#Demographics

[BOF]

Oracle,

If you do not want to ask the residents of Gibraltar, who else will you ask? When Britain captured Gibraltar, it was the era of empires - the age of empires. Spain had their own empire; so should all the Spanish colonialists in South America be denied voting rights? Come on, you're just not being serious. Whether they are colonial settlers or not is irrelevant. Many of them have lived in Gibraltar for hundreds of years and have just as much say as any other. I'm sure you're not suggesting they have no human rights, are you?

Finally, the people of Gibraltar are not just British colonialists. They are a fusion of many nationalities:

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural fusion of the many European immigrants who came to the Rock over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants that came to Gibraltar after the majority of the Spanish population left in 1704. The few Spaniards who remained in Gibraltar in August 1704 were augmented by others who arrived in the fleet with Prince George of Hesse, possibly some two hundred in all, mostly Catalans.[50] By 1753 Genoese, Maltese, and Portuguese people formed the majority of this new population. Other groups include Minorcans (forced to leave their homes when Minorca was returned to Spain in 1783), Sardinians, Sicilians and other Italians, French, Germans, and the British. Immigration from Spain and intermarriage with Spaniards from the surrounding Spanish towns was a constant feature of Gibraltar's history until General Francisco Franco closed the border with Gibraltar, cutting off many Gibraltarians from their relatives on the Spanish side of the frontier. The Spanish socialist government reopened the land frontier, but other restrictions remain in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar#Demographics

A very good and fair reply - but as is well known she just hates anything to do with the British - apart from living there......

[Oracle]

Oracle,

If you do not want to ask the residents of Gibraltar, who else will you ask? When Britain captured Gibraltar, it was the era of empires - the age of empires. Spain had their own empire; so should all the Spanish colonialists in South America be denied voting rights? Come on, you're just not being serious. Whether they are colonial settlers or not is irrelevant. Many of them have lived in Gibraltar for hundreds of years and have just as much say as any other. I'm sure you're not suggesting they have no human rights, are you?

Finally, the people of Gibraltar are not just British colonialists. They are a fusion of many nationalities:

Gibraltarians are a racial and cultural fusion of the many European immigrants who came to the Rock over three hundred years. They are the descendants of economic migrants that came to Gibraltar after the majority of the Spanish population left in 1704. The few Spaniards who remained in Gibraltar in August 1704 were augmented by others who arrived in the fleet with Prince George of Hesse, possibly some two hundred in all, mostly Catalans.[50] By 1753 Genoese, Maltese, and Portuguese people formed the majority of this new population. Other groups include Minorcans (forced to leave their homes when Minorca was returned to Spain in 1783), Sardinians, Sicilians and other Italians, French, Germans, and the British. Immigration from Spain and intermarriage with Spaniards from the surrounding Spanish towns was a constant feature of Gibraltar's history until General Francisco Franco closed the border with Gibraltar, cutting off many Gibraltarians from their relatives on the Spanish side of the frontier. The Spanish socialist government reopened the land frontier, but other restrictions remain in place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar#Demographics

A very good and fair reply - but as is well known she just hates anything to do with the British - apart from living there......

... I love the English, Scots and most Welsh people though ... Just the "Brits" are too much of a mixed bag to stomach .... especially when the only thing holding them together is a sense of an ongoing "British Empire".
Are you one of those BOF?

[BOF]

Sorry to dissapoint - ENGLISH im afraid - NOT born within the sound of Bow Bells....

[Oracle]

Sorry to dissapoint - ENGLISH im afraid - NOT born within the sound of Bow Bells....

I've just seen your thread, and I can confirm you are English and not just British!

[Oracle]

Sorry to butt in with a summation ... but so far nobody wants Gibraltar recognised as Independent ...

There is a 4 : 4 : 4 split on British : Spanish : Monkeys .....

So, as far as the illegal occupants of Cyprus are concerned ... you will get Zilch support in the future as "Independent", just as you have Zilch support now!