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[boomerang]

I will also add that since the war between Turkey and Greece ended, Greece respected the treaty of Lausanne and the Muslim (according to the treaty) minority of Greece has vastly increased in numbers since then. On the contrary it is Turkey which showed no respect to the treaty and has a policy of exterminating all Greeks from Turkey, something which to the most part they succeeded doing.

The same policy of extermination was followed in Cyprus with the partition plan made in the 50s and the implementation of this plan in 1974.

That is utter crap because the Turks in Thrace still complain about the lack of rights, and it is coming form a so called EU member.

Also the "extermination of Greeks" was not exactly a "policy" but an illegally planned operation by a bastard party who brought Turkey back many years, the leader was executed for it.

How can you call that a "policy" and actually blame it on the "Turks".

This is exactly what I mean by "twisted history" and unreliable sources coming from a very racist person.

have the turks restored the greeks rights since then?

[shahmaran]

No one is going to blame the US for responding to 2000 deaths with 1 million, are they?

But they would blame the US for responding to ZERO deaths with I million ...

That is the comparison you have to make between Cyprus and Turkey!

There were ZERO TC deaths before Turkey invaded and killed thousands of GCs!

That's bullshit Oracle.

You were not even in control, you were taken over by your own criminals who openly stressed that Cyprus would be cleansed from Turks, so what the fuck are you talking about?

What precisely is bullshit?

You chose the analogy ... that the US would be supported even if they killed 1 Million for the sake of their losses of 2,000. But presumably they would not be supported (not that I condone their actions) if they rushed in and killed 1 Million Iraqis, had they suffered ZERO losses themselves. They needed those casualties as EXCUSES.

Then you tried to adopt that and justify Turkey invading Cyprus.

Well it doesn't work! ... because there were ZERO casualties when Turkey invaded Cyprus and killed THOUSANDS of GCs! If America was justified, Turkey was NOT!

Also, no one made such statements as you claim before the invasion (and only one idiot did so after)!

You cannot call the massacres of the TC villages a counter-attack of the Turkish invasion and definitely not a "defence" as they were not a threat.

This is the single most stupidest stance people on this forum has been taking all along.

Very stupid, considering how much of your defence regarding the chain of events, actually relies on it.

It is actually ridiculous to say that they would not have committed such crimes otherwise when the TC's had been living in the enclaves for years!

The guy in charge was even OK to kill GC's who were not supporting him, let alone poorly defended TC'S!

Who are you kidding Oracle? Yourself maybe?

[Piratis]

Why you don't show me any evidence of this "openly stressed" policy that the coupists had in 1974? If there was such policy why no TC was harmed until the Turkish invasion? Why the Junta didn't do the same with your minority in Greece if they had such policy?

Your inconsistencies are obvious. On one hand you support that the Turks were justified to kill and ethnically cleanse innocent people simply based on imagined harm against TCs by the coupists, but at the same time you don't justify the killing of TCs based on actual massacures which were previously commited by the Turkish army and the TC extremists against innocent GCs.

You can either justify both (you would be an asshole, but at least consistent), or none.

If you can not see the inconsistency and racism in your position then you must really be blinded.

[shahmaran]

I will also add that since the war between Turkey and Greece ended, Greece respected the treaty of Lausanne and the Muslim (according to the treaty) minority of Greece has vastly increased in numbers since then. On the contrary it is Turkey which showed no respect to the treaty and has a policy of exterminating all Greeks from Turkey, something which to the most part they succeeded doing.

The same policy of extermination was followed in Cyprus with the partition plan made in the 50s and the implementation of this plan in 1974.

That is utter crap because the Turks in Thrace still complain about the lack of rights, and it is coming form a so called EU member.

Also the "extermination of Greeks" was not exactly a "policy" but an illegally planned operation by a bastard party who brought Turkey back many years, the leader was executed for it.

How can you call that a "policy" and actually blame it on the "Turks".

This is exactly what I mean by "twisted history" and unreliable sources coming from a very racist person.

have the turks restored the greeks rights since then?

Have they not?

Let me also add that I have spent a lot of time in Istanbul, I know many Greeks, Armenians and Jews who live there, some very close friends.

So make it good!

[shahmaran]

Why you don't show me any evidence of this "openly stressed" policy that the coupists had in 1974? If there was such policy why no TC was harmed until the Turkish invasion? Why the Junta didn't do the same with your minority in Greece if they had such policy?

Your inconsistencies are obvious. On one hand you support that the Turks were justified to kill and ethnically cleanse innocent people simply based on imagined harm against TCs by the coupists, but at the same time you don't justify the killing of TCs based on actual massacures which were previously commited by the Turkish army and the TC extremists against innocent GCs.

You can either justify both (you would be an asshole, but at least consistent), or none.

If you can not see the inconsistency and racism in your position then you must really be blinded.

Well that is your problem Piratis.

You insist that I support this and that when I openly tell you that I DO NOT, but because I do not support your stance, you automatically assume that I must be supporting the opposite, that's how shallow you are!

Turkey HAD to come in, and it had to do it through heavy resistance.

What did you expect that would happen?

[Piratis]

You cannot call the massacres of the TC villages a counter-attack of the Turkish invasion and definitely not a "defence" as they were not a threat.

But you can call the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent people a "peace operation" and what was required to bring "peace" and "save" the TCs? The unarmed innocent people, the women, the children, the under age girls that were raped, were a "threat" that you had to be "saved" from and steal their land as an extra punishment, which you still keep illegally until today claiming it as yours?

[shahmaran]

You cannot call the massacres of the TC villages a counter-attack of the Turkish invasion and definitely not a "defence" as they were not a threat.

But you can call the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent people a "peace operation" and what was required to bring "peace" and "save" the TCs? The unarmed innocent people, the women, the children, the under age girls that were raped, were a "threat" that you had to be "saved" from and steal their land as an extra punishment, which you still keep illegally until today claiming it as yours?

I said "for many people it was indeed a resque", how can you deny that?

[Piratis]

Why you don't show me any evidence of this "openly stressed" policy that the coupists had in 1974? If there was such policy why no TC was harmed until the Turkish invasion? Why the Junta didn't do the same with your minority in Greece if they had such policy?

Your inconsistencies are obvious. On one hand you support that the Turks were justified to kill and ethnically cleanse innocent people simply based on imagined harm against TCs by the coupists, but at the same time you don't justify the killing of TCs based on actual massacures which were previously commited by the Turkish army and the TC extremists against innocent GCs.

You can either justify both (you would be an asshole, but at least consistent), or none.

If you can not see the inconsistency and racism in your position then you must really be blinded.

Well that is your problem Piratis.

You insist that I support this and that when I openly tell you that I DO NOT, but because I do not support your stance, you automatically assume that I must be supporting the opposite, that's how shallow you are!

Turkey HAD to come in, and it had to do it through heavy resistance.

What did you expect that would happen?

Who said that they had to come in? There was heavy resistance from the majority of Greek Cypriots against the coupists. No TCs were harmed. Makarios was at the UN condemning the coup (19th of July) and asking for support to defeat the coupists (but not to kill and ethnically cleanse the population!)

How does this excuse Turkey to murder innocents, the ethnic cleansing, the rapes of under age girls and such atrocities?

We are not merely talking about "collateral damage" i.e. a civilian standing next to a coupist tank and being killed by accident. We are talking about targeting innocent unarmed people, rapes, ethnic cleansing. Is this what you expect to happen in a "peace operation"?

[Piratis]

You cannot call the massacres of the TC villages a counter-attack of the Turkish invasion and definitely not a "defence" as they were not a threat.

But you can call the killing of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent people a "peace operation" and what was required to bring "peace" and "save" the TCs? The unarmed innocent people, the women, the children, the under age girls that were raped, were a "threat" that you had to be "saved" from and steal their land as an extra punishment, which you still keep illegally until today claiming it as yours?

I said "for many people it was indeed a resque", how can you deny that?

So you are saying that those TCs had to be rescued from innocent unarmed people, including women and children, who had to be killed, raped and ethnically cleansed in order to "rescue" those TCs?

[shahmaran]

Well you were busy committing similar crimes, supposedly, at exactly the same time as well, so who are you to talk?

So, no it is not what I expect from a peace operation and I deeply condemn that it has escalated in such direction, but don't confuse this with the reality of the TC's need for help.

And come again, Makarios was asking for help?

How long did that take?