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[Nikitas]

"Unfortunately I find it hard to believe that any nation will take on Turkey for the RoC"

Absolutely right, no one will do it for the RoC, they will do it for the reasons they have done it in the past, and it definitely was not the welfare of the Cypriots.

You are confusing the case of the Dardanelles campaign with Cyprus. There you had an invasion of Turkey, and an exclusively land based campaign by the Turks, here you have Turkey trying to maintain its hold on foreign territory. The only thing an adversary has to do it is to sever air and sea ties between Turkey and Cyprus, there is no need to defeat the army on the ground.

Think for a moment whether the Americans and other arms sellers would sell anyone a weapon that could be used against them. If you honestly think that then you do not know how these people think and act. And this should be enough about the effectiveness of the Turkish navy and air force in the event of a conflict.

And finally remember Erdoghans statement, "if they tell us to take our army out of there we will have to take it out".

[shahmaran]

after all this threatening and trying to blackmail for eu membership they see there is no chance of them joining and are acting like they dont care now HAAHAHA fuck u turkey your going down and OUT of cyprus OUR ISLAND!!!!

It's the general public opinion that is dropping from being in favour of the EU Palio.

You should not be so upset that your beloved EU membership's value is actually falling in the eyes of others, but then you are losing a HUGE advantage, so I can see why you are upset

it sounds like the fox and the sour grapes story to me...

Of course it does Boomerang.

Why should they let the EU play with them in such a way when shit holes such as Bulgaria made it in there?

It is ridiculous.

democracy potential...something unheard of in turkey...

hey are you still running a bar?...I wanna have a drink with you when I make it back...and I do drink lots... cold ones that is...

and while you are at it, what's the choof situation?...i choof a lot as well...

Yep I do and you are most welcome, I am pretty distant from civilization to find any choof but not impossible

Just let me know when...

[shahmaran]

"Unfortunately I find it hard to believe that any nation will take on Turkey for the RoC"

Absolutely right, no one will do it for the RoC, they will do it for the reasons they have done it in the past, and it definitely was not the welfare of the Cypriots.

You are confusing the case of the Dardanelles campaign with Cyprus. There you had an invasion of Turkey, and an exclusively land based campaign by the Turks, here you have Turkey trying to maintain its hold on foreign territory. The only thing an adversary has to do it is to sever air and sea ties between Turkey and Cyprus, there is no need to defeat the army on the ground.

Think for a moment whether the Americans and other arms sellers would sell anyone a weapon that could be used against them. If you honestly think that then you do not know how these people think and act. And this should be enough about the effectiveness of the Turkish navy and air force in the event of a conflict.

And finally remember Erdoghans statement, "if they tell us to take our army out of there we will have to take it out".

So how come they have been here for 35 years now?

[boomerang]

Yep I do and you are most welcome, I am pretty distant from civilization to find any choof but not impossible

Just let me know when...

thanks man...it will be a while but I am determent... wasting your time with oranges...and thats all i have to say on the subject...

[shahmaran]

Yep I do and you are most welcome, I am pretty distant from civilization to find any choof but not impossible

Just let me know when...

thanks man...it will be a while but I am determent... wasting your time with oranges...and thats all i have to say on the subject...

Yeah tell me about it, would probably be a lot easier to sell as well

[boomerang]

Yep I do and you are most welcome, I am pretty distant from civilization to find any choof but not impossible

Just let me know when...

thanks man...it will be a while but I am determent... wasting your time with oranges...and thats all i have to say on the subject...

Yeah tell me about it, would probably be a lot easier to sell as well

you betcha...no embargoes on this...that's for sure...

[Nikitas]

a short true story regarding arms sales. Names are witheld for obvious reasons.

The crew of a ship discover that a certain elecrtonic part which is scheduled for replacement every 800 hours of service can be replaced by a common part from the open market. They show their invention to senior officers who agree and the part is replaced. The original cost 8000 USD, the replacement 4 USD.

Within days of replacing the part the manufacturer sends an inquiry, "why are you not replacing the part? it is due for replacement and we have not received your order yet".

The ministry of defence tells them that there is no need, since they can get the parts locally and cheaper.

The embassy of the manufacturing nations takes up the case and reminds the buying government that under the contract they cannot alter the specs of the vessel, and also under another clause that they are not free to substitute parts. So it was back to the original 8000 USD parts. That is how arms contracts work. And if they do that for an insignificant part you can imagine how they treat their complex avionics and fire control systems.

Personally I am convinced that if a foreign owned F16 goes against a US owned one, there is no contest. The pilot of the foreign owned place will find his systems switching off left right and center. Cannot prove it, but have strong indications.

[shahmaran]

Yep I do and you are most welcome, I am pretty distant from civilization to find any choof but not impossible

Just let me know when...

thanks man...it will be a while but I am determent... wasting your time with oranges...and thats all i have to say on the subject...

Yeah tell me about it, would probably be a lot easier to sell as well

you betcha...no embargoes on this...that's for sure...

Indeed

[SoSolidCrew]

So... buy MiGs and YAKs?

[shahmaran]

a short true story regarding arms sales. Names are witheld for obvious reasons.

The crew of a ship discover that a certain elecrtonic part which is scheduled for replacement every 800 hours of service can be replaced by a common part from the open market. They show their invention to senior officers who agree and the part is replaced. The original cost 8000 USD, the replacement 4 USD.

Within days of replacing the part the manufacturer sends an inquiry, "why are you not replacing the part? it is due for replacement and we have not received your order yet".

The ministry of defence tells them that there is no need, since they can get the parts locally and cheaper.

The embassy of the manufacturing nations takes up the case and reminds the buying government that under the contract they cannot alter the specs of the vessel, and also under another clause that they are not free to substitute parts. So it was back to the original 8000 USD parts. That is how arms contracts work. And if they do that for an insignificant part you can imagine how they treat their complex avionics and fire control systems.

Personally I am convinced that if a foreign owned F16 goes against a US owned one, there is no contest. The pilot of the foreign owned place will find his systems switching off left right and center. Cannot prove it, but have strong indications.

It is possible Nikitas, but do you think that would be the case for the locally produced F-16's also?