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EU process failure not a doomsday for Turkey

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby YFred » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:32 am

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shahmaran wrote:Well I still fail to see what the difference will be considering the fact that many parts of Turkey are way better off than the TRNC.

The main reason we are depending on the economical aid from Turkey is the embargoes, but If we are annexed than we don't have to worry about embargoes anymore do we?

Not that I am saying it is what I like to see happen but when you have a stick with shit on both ends you have to compromise :lol:


shah, you have a 70 million market and you cannot capitalise on this one but you are still complaining about embargoes?...how about blaming turkey for not even staging a football match with you guys... :lol:

You have a bit of difficulty understanding the meaning of trade between countries. Turkey produces everything she needs and more to better quality at cheaper price. We cannot compete with her. However against our cousins in the south and in the EU we would do a lot better, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that being from the wrong planet as well as the wrong hemisphere on account that too much blood goes in the head.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:34 am

The US will decide the future of Cyprus when the ROC starts "flirting" with the Russian military and they talk about a base on the island.
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Postby YFred » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:35 am

Jerry wrote:The US will decide the future of Cyprus when the ROC starts "flirting" with the Russian military and they talk about a base on the island.

Good god man. Thats how the coup strated last time. Will you never learn.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:03 am

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Jerry wrote:The US will decide the future of Cyprus when the ROC starts "flirting" with the Russian military and they talk about a base on the island.

Good god man. Thats how the coup strated last time. Will you never learn.


The "reason" for the invasion that followed the coup no longer exists, or hadn't you noticed.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:27 am

YFred wrote:
boomerang wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Well I still fail to see what the difference will be considering the fact that many parts of Turkey are way better off than the TRNC.

The main reason we are depending on the economical aid from Turkey is the embargoes, but If we are annexed than we don't have to worry about embargoes anymore do we?

Not that I am saying it is what I like to see happen but when you have a stick with shit on both ends you have to compromise :lol:


shah, you have a 70 million market and you cannot capitalise on this one but you are still complaining about embargoes?...how about blaming turkey for not even staging a football match with you guys... :lol:

You have a bit of difficulty understanding the meaning of trade between countries. Turkey produces everything she needs and more to better quality at cheaper price. We cannot compete with her. However against our cousins in the south and in the EU we would do a lot better, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that being from the wrong planet as well as the wrong hemisphere on account that too much blood goes in the head.


hey knucklehead why not ask your shepherd to explain to you once again as to why the turks won't even play a football match with you...d it be coz they embargoing you?...

and how the fuck you gonna get competitive against anyone when you lack the basic structure of an infrastructure...oh I forgot you come from uranus...like the rest of your 100 odd herd... :lol:

I see business, thinking and IQ isn't part of your forte so best to not go there if I was you knucklehead...

PS...I already trade with turkey...I sell, they buy...what does that tell you knucklehead?...does it tell you OZ labour is cheaper than turkey?...what a moron... :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:31 am

Jerry wrote:
YFred wrote:
Jerry wrote:The US will decide the future of Cyprus when the ROC starts "flirting" with the Russian military and they talk about a base on the island.

Good god man. Thats how the coup strated last time. Will you never learn.


The "reason" for the invasion that followed the coup no longer exists, or hadn't you noticed.


of course not, he is the only knucklehead in the village... :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:39 am

As I posted above, the list of options for the Greek side is longer than the options of the Turkish side, in the broader context of relations. Turkey knows this, that is why it is not willing to encompass the prospetc of two really independent nations on the island. See how it reacts when the south proceeds with oil exploration ion areas which are clearly within the continental shelf of the south- it raises the issue of interlinkage of north and south and remembers that the wealth of the island belongs to all Cypriots etc.

Annexation sounds like a simple solution. However, it implies that every other part oc Cyprus, including its sea territory is let go, no more interlinkage. If annexation is broadly recognised then the whole world by implication will have to recognise the full independence of the south too, RoC free from the last remnants of the Zurich agreements. Those who see things exclusively from the TRNC point of view do not realise how the 1960 constitution still applies in the south with most of its fetters still valid.

Just think of Cyprus free and able to rent a base to Russia, or a anyone else. RoC totally free to do with its continental shelf as it pleases. And the prospect of RoC uniting with Greece and thus making Greece a Middle Eastern power, Ecevit's nightmare coming true. The Green Line will become a new Greek Turkish border, a new liability in perpetuity where there was none before.

Annexation will mean instantly a permanent block to any EU prospects for Turkey for understandable reasons.

A new area of military focus will arise in the area between Crete and Cyprus and that is a prospect Turkey does not want. When you see the delineation lines of EEZs, continental shelf and territorial waters you will understand the ramifications of such a shift. And the day Turkey annexes the north will also be the day when Greece, with full international backing, will extend its territorial waters to 12 miles and no one will be able to say a word.

But even without annexation there are other options. Just think of the RoC unilaterally announcing that it cedes the north to the TRNC and recognises the TRNC. Sounds like a suicidal move but it is not. It throws the ball firmly yand heavily onto the TCs and the international community, it removes the burden of the Cyprus Problem from the backs of teh GCs and it dissolves the role of Turkey as the so called protector of the TCs. What do you think will happen in the north and Turkey a few hours after such an announcement? How would Turkey handle the situation where the RoC and the TRNC exchange ambassadors?

There are other options that are available once we think out of the box. So do not cling on to the annexation card as if it were a panacea, it is not.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:43 am

shahmaran wrote:35 Years has not been a problem, surely it can continue...

Surely it has Shah for the 50 or so thousand of T/Cs who emigrated, and for the 60 0r so thousand who are still in Cyprus being refered to as Turks of Cyprus and not as T/Cs.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:52 am

Militiades,

Shah, VP and others on this forum are amazingly close to the mindset of Enosis, and much more fervently in favor of Enosis than any of the GC fanatics of the 60s and 70s. He does not care if there is no such thing as a TC anymore.

Judging by events in the north the mindset is dominant. There have been no protests to the change in place names, to the imposition of family names, the renaming of TCs to Turks of Cyprus. TCs seem to have given up on themselves.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:55 am

miltiades wrote:
shahmaran wrote:35 Years has not been a problem, surely it can continue...

Surely it has Shah for the 50 or so thousand of T/Cs who emigrated, and for the 60 0r so thousand who are still in Cyprus being refered to as Turks of Cyprus and not as T/Cs.


Don't get caught up in labels Milti, everyone know who they are and where they come from.
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