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[Nikitas]

"In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with."

I never thought for a minute that the EU process was a leverage factor allowing the RoC to pressure Turkey. On the other hand pressure can be applied in other ways, as the S300 affair proves. Except that the S300 are a bit of a mystery to this very day for other reasons.

A progressive, wealthy, RoC with a 72 mile frontier with the Turkish army, is pretty close to what Ecevit had described as a nightmare for Turkey- a Greek military presence in the Middle East, and that is enough pressure to solve the problem and it can be more effective than the threat of a veto in the EU.

If you put down lists of options for both sides to this problem, the Greek list is longer, odd as this might sound.

[shahmaran]

I agree about Turkey's fortunes being better, in the long run, out of the EU.

But Cyprus is not badly affected. It will simply force the GCs to mature even more politically and realise that the contest is much lengthier and far lonelier than they had ever thought. And that is not such a bad thing. Nothing has spurred GC society forward more than the sudden need to survive as a cohesive unit after 1974. Another such dose of medicine will do them good.

Maybe, but considering the EU chip will be off the table, there isn't really a whole lot left for you to bargain with is there?

In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with.

what's there to bargain with shah?...the red lines took care of that...

the only sad situation is the tcs, which will in time become extinct...and god help you if you become annexed to turkey...

Its tad too late for that Boomerang.

What could possibly be different to now, If we were annexed?

If there was no EU chip, I think there would be less pressure on both Turkey and TRNC, in order to comply with the requests of the RoC.

So the RoC can either choose to "let go" or settle for much less than they bargain for, or alternatively go to war I guess.

[shahmaran]

"In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with."

I never thought for a minute that the EU process was a leverage factor allowing the RoC to pressure Turkey. On the other hand pressure can be applied in other ways, as the S300 affair proves. Except that the S300 are a bit of a mystery to this very day for other reasons.

A progressive, wealthy, RoC with a 72 mile frontier with the Turkish army, is pretty close to what Ecevit had described as a nightmare for Turkey- a Greek military presence in the Middle East, and that is enough pressure to solve the problem and it can be more effective than the threat of a veto in the EU.

If you put down lists of options for both sides to this problem, the Greek list is longer, odd as this might sound.

So you think the RoC can seriously pressurize Turkey with military threats? (not rhetorical)

I mean what is stopping Turkey from adding another 40K or more, on the island?

[boomerang]

I agree about Turkey's fortunes being better, in the long run, out of the EU.

But Cyprus is not badly affected. It will simply force the GCs to mature even more politically and realise that the contest is much lengthier and far lonelier than they had ever thought. And that is not such a bad thing. Nothing has spurred GC society forward more than the sudden need to survive as a cohesive unit after 1974. Another such dose of medicine will do them good.

Maybe, but considering the EU chip will be off the table, there isn't really a whole lot left for you to bargain with is there?

In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with.

what's there to bargain with shah?...the red lines took care of that...

the only sad situation is the tcs, which will in time become extinct...and god help you if you become annexed to turkey...

Its tad too late for that Boomerang.

What could possibly be different to now, If we were annexed?

If there was no EU chip, I think there would be less pressure on both Turkey and TRNC, in order to comply with the requests of the RoC.

So the RoC can either choose to "let go" or settle for much less than they bargain for, or alternatively go to war I guess.

or status quo remains the same...

if you were annexed then the standard of living would be the same as turkey...not the standard you cyrrently enjoy...turkey will save a bundle, in not proping you guys up...

[shahmaran]

I agree about Turkey's fortunes being better, in the long run, out of the EU.

But Cyprus is not badly affected. It will simply force the GCs to mature even more politically and realise that the contest is much lengthier and far lonelier than they had ever thought. And that is not such a bad thing. Nothing has spurred GC society forward more than the sudden need to survive as a cohesive unit after 1974. Another such dose of medicine will do them good.

Maybe, but considering the EU chip will be off the table, there isn't really a whole lot left for you to bargain with is there?

In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with.

what's there to bargain with shah?...the red lines took care of that...

the only sad situation is the tcs, which will in time become extinct...and god help you if you become annexed to turkey...

Its tad too late for that Boomerang.

What could possibly be different to now, If we were annexed?

If there was no EU chip, I think there would be less pressure on both Turkey and TRNC, in order to comply with the requests of the RoC.

So the RoC can either choose to "let go" or settle for much less than they bargain for, or alternatively go to war I guess.

or status quo remains the same...

if you were annexed then the standard of living would be the same as turkey...not the standard you cyrrently enjoy...turkey will save a bundle, in not proping you guys up...

Status quo will eventually collapse, there is no way we will stay sealed for ever.

Plus the standard of living here today is higher than most parts of Turkey, yes, but definately not as high as many other parts.

Same goes for the RoC.

[boomerang]

I agree about Turkey's fortunes being better, in the long run, out of the EU.

But Cyprus is not badly affected. It will simply force the GCs to mature even more politically and realise that the contest is much lengthier and far lonelier than they had ever thought. And that is not such a bad thing. Nothing has spurred GC society forward more than the sudden need to survive as a cohesive unit after 1974. Another such dose of medicine will do them good.

Maybe, but considering the EU chip will be off the table, there isn't really a whole lot left for you to bargain with is there?

In fact, that was probably the only element you could pressure Turkey with.

what's there to bargain with shah?...the red lines took care of that...

the only sad situation is the tcs, which will in time become extinct...and god help you if you become annexed to turkey...

Its tad too late for that Boomerang.

What could possibly be different to now, If we were annexed?

If there was no EU chip, I think there would be less pressure on both Turkey and TRNC, in order to comply with the requests of the RoC.

So the RoC can either choose to "let go" or settle for much less than they bargain for, or alternatively go to war I guess.

or status quo remains the same...

if you were annexed then the standard of living would be the same as turkey...not the standard you cyrrently enjoy...turkey will save a bundle, in not proping you guys up...

Status quo will eventually collapse, there is no way we will stay sealed for ever.

Plus the standard of living here today is higher than most parts of Turkey, yes, but definately not as high as many other parts.

Same goes for the RoC.

the status quo will remain the same as the RoC is in the EU as we speak...

so you better pray you do not become annexed, coz the reason your economy is higher than of turkeys is because they are propping you up costing them millions...sooner or later a decision will be made to cut all that and look at annexation...then you will be on par...

unless ofcourse you revolt...

[shahmaran]

Well I still fail to see what the difference will be considering the fact that many parts of Turkey are way better off than the TRNC.

The main reason we are depending on the economical aid from Turkey is the embargoes, but If we are annexed than we don't have to worry about embargoes anymore do we?

Not that I am saying it is what I like to see happen but when you have a stick with shit on both ends you have to compromise

[boomerang]

Well I still fail to see what the difference will be considering the fact that many parts of Turkey are way better off than the TRNC.

The main reason we are depending on the economical aid from Turkey is the embargoes, but If we are annexed than we don't have to worry about embargoes anymore do we?

Not that I am saying it is what I like to see happen but when you have a stick with shit on both ends you have to compromise

shah, you have a 70 million market and you cannot capitalise on this one but you are still complaining about embargoes?...how about blaming turkey for not even staging a football match with you guys...

[Hermes]

I seem to remember Turkey threatening to annex northern Cyprus if the Republic of Cyprus was admitted into the EU. Well that didn't happen. Now Turkey is supposed to annex northern Cyprus if Turkey doesn't get into the EU? Give me a break.

I don't think even Turks are dumb enough to annex EU territory, risk creating tension within the EU and instability in NATO, risk a trade and arms embargo, risk more legal and financial penalties in international courts, endure a hostile border and subsequent arms build up, and, last but not least, kiss goodbye to the EU with a loss of foreign investment in Turkey and financial collapse in the "TRNC".

Who needs to bring Turkey to its knees when the Turks can do it all by themselves? Sorry chaps. Annexation isn't an option. Neither is the status quo. Turkey has got to choose: join the EU and the modern world of international legality, respectability and prosperity or cling onto northern Cyprus, illegality and backwardness. Tough choice. For a Turk...

[shahmaran]

35 Years has not been a problem, surely it can continue...