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[Hatter]

War is not easy to say the least. But Greece and Cyprus should have an effective deterent against Turkey, which they dont. When someone flies over your islands freely and with no response, or drills off your coast and there is no response, then eventually these guys will be landing soldiers at ayia napa to steal the cash registers filled with euros..If we dont have the balls to slap out of the sky 3-4 turksih f-16's or shoot and sink a turkish frigate of the coast of cyprus then what makes you think we can fight a war effectively...

Well, we can't just nuke the bastards .... can we?

... who said that?

No, can't nuke them, but could knock their warplanes out of the sky. One question: what became of the S300's ? (no need to answer literally, it is meant as a rhetorical question).

Welcome back Hatter ... Your powerful rhetoric cannot be answered .... literally!

Thank you (I think ?!?).

"Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." The S300 saga did not augur very well w.r.t. "praeparet bellum". Perhaps things have changed since then (perhaps the OXI of 2004 was an indication that when the chips are down ...). Just pray that the ze.i.bekiko dancer (I gather he speaks greek, too) does n't get to govern.

[Oracle]

War is not easy to say the least. But Greece and Cyprus should have an effective deterent against Turkey, which they dont. When someone flies over your islands freely and with no response, or drills off your coast and there is no response, then eventually these guys will be landing soldiers at ayia napa to steal the cash registers filled with euros..If we dont have the balls to slap out of the sky 3-4 turksih f-16's or shoot and sink a turkish frigate of the coast of cyprus then what makes you think we can fight a war effectively...

Well, we can't just nuke the bastards .... can we?

... who said that?

No, can't nuke them, but could knock their warplanes out of the sky. One question: what became of the S300's ? (no need to answer literally, it is meant as a rhetorical question).

Welcome back Hatter ... Your powerful rhetoric cannot be answered .... literally!

Thank you (I think ?!?).

"Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." The S300 saga did not augur very well w.r.t. "praeparet bellum". Perhaps things have changed since then (perhaps the OXI of 2004 was an indication that when the chips are down ...). Just pray that the ze.i.bekiko dancer (I gather he speaks greek, too) does n't get to govern.

Just as powerful is to put other nations off their guard, by cultivating peace

[kurupetos]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

The question is who is willing to fight to the death for the freedom of Cyprus.
Otherwise I will be alone.

If force was a realistic option then 35 years is a long time to wait...

However, that said, can we have some meat on the bones please or people may think you're all talking out of your hats?

What's the strategy for using force?

How do you convince a largely apathetic, comfortable and safe Cypriot public to go to war?
How do you manipulate a free press to support such an action?
What collateral damage would be acceptable?
Does Cyprus have the manpower, the combat training and military hardware to drive Turkey's army out? (Most strategists prefer a three to one ratio when invading a fixed defence)
How do you achieve air superiority?
Can Cyprus defend itself against inevitable counter-attack targetting civilians?
On what pretext do you break the ceasefire?
Do you issue a warning or an ultimatum?
Do you get support, or tacit approval, from the international community beforehand?
What if the world powers, US, EU, UN disapprove? Do you go it alone?
What do you do with the settler refugees, who will see you as an occupying army, and resist?
What is the Turkish military's escape route? If they're completely cut off, how do you deal with a determined resistance?
What is the end game?
How do you prevent a stalemate, or war of attrition, which is what we have now but without the deaths?
What are the risks of failure?
What if it leads to partition endorsed by the world, or, worse still, the loss of the whole island in a Turkish counter-attack?
How do you win the peace, establish security and set the economy on a steady course?

In short, have you thought this one through, little soldier boys?

I answered your question "Turkish troops out of Cyprus. How?"

It can only be done by force, because there is no other way. The Turks came by force and they can be removed by force. Period!

However, I've never said let's go to war now. We are not ready at this point, we have to grasp the chance when the circumstances are more favourable for our side.

Don't worry about the morale of the GCs, it is hiding under their skin, but it's there! Trust Sgt kurupetos!

[kurupetos]

lets face it.. there is nothing we can do sbout it militarily and NO country is going to do that for us...

so the fact we are much more cleaver then the turks and are able to join eu with a country with 10 times less population and the jelousey of the turks them having to take our lands by force... we will win politically we will eventually drive the turks out using our brains and in politics... if we could of done something militarily im sure gcs would of done ages ago done something about it

Well said. We , the Cypriots , have already scored a political victory with serious repercussions on the prospects of the "trnc" ever being considered for recognition .
As a member of the most successful union of nations ever we have the political might of a giant at our side let us not cause any ripples with talks of waging a war.

Will it ever matter if "trnc" gets recognition or not?

Since Turkey has never been embargoed, and Turkey does not embargo the "trnc", then the embargo, non-direct flights and no recognition are ineffective measures.

[kurupetos]

War is not easy to say the least. But Greece and Cyprus should have an effective deterent against Turkey, which they dont. When someone flies over your islands freely and with no response, or drills off your coast and there is no response, then eventually these guys will be landing soldiers at ayia napa to steal the cash registers filled with euros..If we dont have the balls to slap out of the sky 3-4 turksih f-16's or shoot and sink a turkish frigate of the coast of cyprus then what makes you think we can fight a war effectively...

Well, we can't just nuke the bastards .... can we?

... who said that?

No, can't nuke them, but could knock their warplanes out of the sky. One question: what became of the S300's ? (no need to answer literally, it is meant as a rhetorical question).

Your question can be answered but since you don't want one...

[kurupetos]

I always said GASC wasting its money on Russian weapons that they would not use anyway.

What is GASC?

[SoSolidCrew]

I always said GASC wasting its money on Russian weapons that they would not use anyway.

What is GASC?

Its what you called ROC (The only ROC I know is Republic of China, aka Taiwan)

[The Cypriot]

I answered your question "Turkish troops out of Cyprus. How?"

Yes. You did. You answered the snappy headline. And I respect your answer. But this thread is actually about strategy, as was explained in the first post.

It can only be done by force, because there is no other way. The Turks came by force and they can be removed by force. Period!

You may well be right.

However, I've never said let's go to war now. We are not ready at this point, we have to grasp the chance when the circumstances are more favourable for our side.

And now we come to the strategy. How do we make the circumstances more favourable for winning a war?

Don't worry about the morale of the GCs, it is hiding under their skin, but it's there! Trust Sgt kurupetos!

You may well be right, sergeant. But I'd need convincing.

[kurupetos]

I always said GASC wasting its money on Russian weapons that they would not use anyway.

What is GASC?

Its what you called ROC (The only ROC I know is Republic of China, aka Taiwan)

No, I think you know what RoC is.

[wyoming cowboy]

How do you get the Turkish army out of Cyprus? Enlist endless lobbiest throughout the world, where it can be most effective. Uk,Usa, Australia, France. Instead of spending endless amounts in military hardware we will probably never use, Cut the military budget in half which will be 250 million dollars,for Cyprus and spend. Organize the lobby groups in the usa, where the governments of Greece and Cyprus agree on how to lobby in this country. There is no coherent lobby policy by the Greeks in the usa. Lipservice and endless lipservice from politicians. Use the Church more effectively. The only other group then the Jews in the usa, that could effectively campaign for their cause are the Greeks. I have travelled all through the usa, there isnt a state in the union that doesnt have numerous amounts of Greeks. The Jews of Israel and the Jews of the USA speak with one voice. The Greeks of Greece and Cyprus and the Greeks in the USA dont see eye to eye on many things......