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[kurupetos]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

The question is who is willing to fight to the death for the freedom of Cyprus.
Otherwise I will be alone.

[miltiades]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

OK guys , now tell us how . Yialousa said by force , as simple as that he says.
Lets take it a step forward . We presumably , in order to use force , would have to attack first the Turkish army in the occupied parts , deal with the 40 or so thousands of troops , at the same time deal with the T/Cs who no doubt will resist , then of course we have the settlers to also deal with.
In the meantime Turkish re enforcements and Turkish airborne attacks on us will be dealt with by ....Greece.
Fine so we fought this war we wiped out the Turkish army in Cyprus , eliminated the threat from Turkey , dealt accordingly with the T/Cs , repatriated the settlers , and then we start counting our dead , that's when pigs begin to fly !!
So far our political "war" has been successful without a single shot being fired . Recognition of the "trnc" is now over , the ECJ made sure of that.
Can anyone tell me also that if such a war was to take place how certain would we be of victory !
I will gladly join you but first lets have some projected figures and anticipated results based on realities not flying pigs .

[kurupetos]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

OK guys , now tell us how . Yialousa said by force , as simple as that he says.
Lets take it a step forward . We presumably , in order to use force , would have to attack first the Turkish army in the occupied parts , deal with the 40 or so thousands of troops , at the same time deal with the T/Cs who no doubt will resist , then of course we have the settlers to also deal with.
In the meantime Turkish re enforcements and Turkish airborne attacks on us will be dealt with by ....Greece.
Fine so we fought this war we wiped out the Turkish army in Cyprus , eliminated the threat from Turkey , dealt accordingly with the T/Cs , repatriated the settlers , and then we start counting our dead , that's when pigs begin to fly !!
So far our political "war" has been successful without a single shot being fired . Recognition of the "trnc" is now over , the ECJ made sure of that.
Can anyone tell me also that if such a war was to take place how certain would we be of victory !
I will gladly join you but first lets have some projected figures and anticipated results based on realities not flying pigs .

The original question was "Turkish troops out of Cyprus. How?"

Get it?

[miltiades]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

OK guys , now tell us how . Yialousa said by force , as simple as that he says.
Lets take it a step forward . We presumably , in order to use force , would have to attack first the Turkish army in the occupied parts , deal with the 40 or so thousands of troops , at the same time deal with the T/Cs who no doubt will resist , then of course we have the settlers to also deal with.
In the meantime Turkish re enforcements and Turkish airborne attacks on us will be dealt with by ....Greece.
Fine so we fought this war we wiped out the Turkish army in Cyprus , eliminated the threat from Turkey , dealt accordingly with the T/Cs , repatriated the settlers , and then we start counting our dead , that's when pigs begin to fly !!
So far our political "war" has been successful without a single shot being fired . Recognition of the "trnc" is now over , the ECJ made sure of that.
Can anyone tell me also that if such a war was to take place how certain would we be of victory !
I will gladly join you but first lets have some projected figures and anticipated results based on realities not flying pigs .

The original question was "Turkish troops out of Cyprus. How?"

Get it?

What do you mean do I get it. The question was how to get T/Ts out of Cyprus , Yialousa responded saying only by force and Byron agreed !
I merely posed the question as how force could achieve the end result !!

[kurupetos]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

OK guys , now tell us how . Yialousa said by force , as simple as that he says.
Lets take it a step forward . We presumably , in order to use force , would have to attack first the Turkish army in the occupied parts , deal with the 40 or so thousands of troops , at the same time deal with the T/Cs who no doubt will resist , then of course we have the settlers to also deal with.
In the meantime Turkish re enforcements and Turkish airborne attacks on us will be dealt with by ....Greece.
Fine so we fought this war we wiped out the Turkish army in Cyprus , eliminated the threat from Turkey , dealt accordingly with the T/Cs , repatriated the settlers , and then we start counting our dead , that's when pigs begin to fly !!
So far our political "war" has been successful without a single shot being fired . Recognition of the "trnc" is now over , the ECJ made sure of that.
Can anyone tell me also that if such a war was to take place how certain would we be of victory !
I will gladly join you but first lets have some projected figures and anticipated results based on realities not flying pigs .

The original question was "Turkish troops out of Cyprus. How?"

Get it?

What do you mean do I get it. The question was how to get T/Ts out of Cyprus , Yialousa responded saying only by force and Byron agreed !
I merely posed the question as how force could achieve the end result !!

Excellent! I will celebrate that with a Bishop's Finger!

[repulsewarrior]

...force will turn the world's opinion against us.

Creating a Constitution which can be emulated and held by the world's oppressed as an ispiration will be most invaluable toward an atmosphere where Turkey cannot refuse the recognition of a United and Independant country that is the island of Cyprus. Denonstrating our commitment to the Principles of Tolerance is more difficult but more valid. In essence, treating the Turkish State as the countervailing power that it is assures us the perfection we have been searching for will be realised.

a treaty of defense between Turkey and Cyprus would help...

a regional trade pact would help...

[miltiades]

...force will turn the world's opinion against us.

Creating a Constitution which can be emulated and held by the world's oppressed as an ispiration will be most invaluable toward an atmosphere where Turkey cannot refuse the recognition of a United and Independant country that is the island of Cyprus. Denonstrating our commitment to the Principles of Tolerance is more difficult but more valid. In essence, treating the Turkish State as the countervailing power that it is assures us the perfection we have been searching for will be realised.

a treaty of defense between Turkey and Cyprus would help...

a regional trade pact would help...

Wisdom makes sense Sir !

[paliometoxo]

lets face it.. there is nothing we can do sbout it militarily and NO country is going to do that for us...

so the fact we are much more cleaver then the turks and are able to join eu with a country with 10 times less population and the jelousey of the turks them having to take our lands by force... we will win politically we will eventually drive the turks out using our brains and in politics... if we could of done something militarily im sure gcs would of done ages ago done something about it

[Viewpoint]

lets face it.. there is nothing we can do sbout it militarily and NO country is going to do that for us...

so the fact we are much more cleaver then the turks and are able to join eu with a country with 10 times less population and the jelousey of the turks them having to take our lands by force... we will win politically we will eventually drive the turks out using our brains and in politics... if we could of done something militarily im sure gcs would of done ages ago done something about it

Prey tell us how you will do it? its been 35 years tomorrow and not one inch of land back, not one settler nor one Turkish soldier had left wihtout out agreement you can do nothing.

[The Cypriot]

The Turk will only be removed from Cyprus by force, it's as simple as that. Anybody who believes otherwise is dreaming.

You are on the right lines.

The question is who is willing to fight to the death for the freedom of Cyprus.
Otherwise I will be alone.

If force was a realistic option then 35 years is a long time to wait...

However, that said, can we have some meat on the bones please or people may think you're all talking out of your hats?

What's the strategy for using force?

How do you convince a largely apathetic, comfortable and safe Cypriot public to go to war?
How do you manipulate a free press to support such an action?
What collateral damage would be acceptable?
Does Cyprus have the manpower, the combat training and military hardware to drive Turkey's army out? (Most strategists prefer a three to one ratio when invading a fixed defence)
How do you achieve air superiority?
Can Cyprus defend itself against inevitable counter-attack targetting civilians?
On what pretext do you break the ceasefire?
Do you issue a warning or an ultimatum?
Do you get support, or tacit approval, from the international community beforehand?
What if the world powers, US, EU, UN disapprove? Do you go it alone?
What do you do with the settler refugees, who will see you as an occupying army, and resist?
What is the Turkish military's escape route? If they're completely cut off, how do you deal with a determined resistance?
What is the end game?
How do you prevent a stalemate, or war of attrition, which is what we have now but without the deaths?
What are the risks of failure?
What if it leads to partition endorsed by the world, or, worse still, the loss of the whole island in a Turkish counter-attack?
How do you win the peace, establish security and set the economy on a steady course?

In short, have you thought this one through, little soldier boys?