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[Kikapu]

How can I be sure? Because you say so? Because your press and politicians tell you?

Abbas said so

Show me his exact quote, then. Not what the press and politicians 'interpreted'... As we've discovered, they do a lot of interpreting for feeble minds. But I am interested in the facts. And I really wished you were too.

here you go thegreeksouthcypriot:

http://video.turk.net/video/izle/18657/ ... ---ANKARA/

starts at 5.45. You won't believe my translation so a Turkish speaking south cypriot like Kikapu can translate it to you. Have fun watching OUR brother Abbas.

Thanks... I'll await a translation of his exact words.

The whole thing is doctored and would never pass Kikapu's "smell test".!

First of all, this has to be the worse cut & sliced & paste video conference I have ever seen. The whole 7+ minutes is not one continues shooting of this conference. No, it has been sliced more than your average size cucumber for a "Greek Salad".!

Gül is doing most of the talking in Turkish, of course, which nothing is translated to Abbas in Arabic because the whole video has been sliced. In between sliced and cuts, few times, there is a very short and very faint voice in the background, which may be the translator's voice. Abbas then talks for a while without any translation into Turkish, but instead you have Gül talking again. Then out of nowhere, a question is asked to Abbas with a female voice regarding the Cyprus comments that Runaway is talking about, then the video cuts off and starts again with Abbas talking, which could have been about anything, because the video cut off after the "reporters" question. Abbas speaks in Arabic, so god knows what he said, then a man does the Turkish translation on what Abbas supposedly said, in which at one point he said that "it was not true". What was not true, no body knows, because he is not answering the female "reporters" question any longer, because we now have a new video scene, because it cut off after the question was asked. At one point I heard Abbas mentioning the name "Arafat" which makes me think the translation had nothing to do with the so called question. There are no other questions asked to Abbas to answer by anyone other than just one question on the Cyprus issue, which has to be very odd, don't you think.? Here is the interesting part. The sound quality is much better from the female "reporter" who asked the question and the man who translated what Abbas said than the quality of the sound at other times for the translator. To me, it had a sound-stage quality to it, and my guess is, this was dubbed into the video after the fact. The only way to know what was said by Abbas, is to get someone who understand Arabic, otherwise this can easily be a sliced and cut propaganda tape for the Turks in Turkey to swallow, like Runaway. The whole 7+ minutes is very poorly manipulated and badly molested.!

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Propaganda? A 50 yo TC lady crying for what happened to her in the south on TV and it is supposed to be propaganda? Are you insane?

Is this the best you can do? This is your example of Cypriot terrorism? The equivalent to how Hamas has been fighting the Israelis? Are you insane? runaway, please.

so any of attacks against TCs are OK as long as you don't kill them. insane southcypriot

No, attacks against any innocent person is wrong runaway-to-mama-turkiye. But these are isolated instances that occur all over the world.

Come to London... there are parts where teenagers are scared to venture in because of 'postcode wars'. Dozens of kids die every year in gun and knife attacks.

Are you advocating that London be divided up as a result? Should Turkey's army invade and occupy, say, Stoke Newington because some of these teenagers might be Turkish in origin?

You attack TCs because of their ethnicity. Ultimate aim is to drive them out of Cyprus but you will not succeed. You simply can't dominate these people MATE. Take your part and enosis with mama Greece.

Which Turks have never done???
PS LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC OF NAGORNO KARABAKH

[Kikapu]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

President Abdullah Gül said Friday that any efforts to achieve the creation of a Palestinian state could fail without the consent of important actors.

“Turkey, at every occasion, supports the establishment of an independent Palestinian state whose capital is East Jerusalem, but we believe in order to reach such a result, doing something without the consent of important actors will bring no benefits,” Gül told a joint press conference with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas in Ankara.

“This could even turn out to be harmful,” he added. “Turkey is ready to do its best on the road to be followed as long as there is a compromise on that.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

I wonder if Gül was using the "trnc" as an example.??

He was probably telling Abbas, "Learn from history my friend and don't make the same mistakes".! :wink:

He said "big actors" Kikapu.

Obviously he was not talking about the RoC.

So he can't be talking about the TRNC.

He probably meant that Turkey's opinion is also important.

Hi Shah,

He said "big actors" Kikapu.

Correct, and my guess is, he was not talking about Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford, Tom Hanks et al.!

Obviously he was not talking about the RoC.

Obviously.!

So he can't be talking about the TRNC.

Well, not about being a BIG actor, but as an example not to follow, who else, if not the "trnc".?

He probably meant that Turkey's opinion is also important.

I'm sure he was thinking it will be Turkey, but it cannot be since Turkey is not a BIG actor in comparison to the real BIG actors, since Turkey has not been able to make the north become a sovereign state with recognition, so the answer has to be a OXI on that one.

The only BIG actors are the 5 permanent UNSC members and to some extent, the EU body, which is where it all counts, and since the "trnc" does not have the backing of any of these BIG actors, the message to Abbas was,

"don't make the same foolish mistake as the trnc did by declaring unanimous independence because you will not get any recognition and we can't support you financially as we have no choice but to support the trnc still." !

[The Cypriot]

How can I be sure? Because you say so? Because your press and politicians tell you?

Abbas said so

Show me his exact quote, then. Not what the press and politicians 'interpreted'... As we've discovered, they do a lot of interpreting for feeble minds. But I am interested in the facts. And I really wished you were too.

here you go thegreeksouthcypriot:

http://video.turk.net/video/izle/18657/ ... ---ANKARA/

starts at 5.45. You won't believe my translation so a Turkish speaking south cypriot like Kikapu can translate it to you. Have fun watching OUR brother Abbas.

Thanks... I'll await a translation of his exact words.

The whole thing is doctored and would never pass Kikapu's "smell test".!

First of all, this has to be the worse cut & sliced & paste video conference I have ever seen. The whole 7+ minutes is not one continues shooting of this conference. No, it has been sliced more than your average size cucumber for a "Greek Salad".!

Gül is doing most of the talking in Turkish, of course, which nothing is translated to Abbas in Arabic because the whole video has been sliced. In between sliced and cuts, few times, there is a very short and very faint voice in the background, which may be the translator's voice. Abbas then talks for a while without any translation into Turkish, but instead you have Gül talking again. Then out of nowhere, a question is asked to Abbas with a female voice regarding the Cyprus comments that Runaway is talking about, then the video cuts off and starts again with Abbas talking, which could have been about anything, because the video cut off after the "reporters" question. Abbas speaks in Arabic, so god knows what he said, then a man does the Turkish translation on what Abbas supposedly said, in which at one point he said that "it was not true". What was not true, no body knows, because he is not answering the female "reporters" question any longer, because we now have a new video scene, because it cut off after the question was asked. At one point I heard Abbas mentioning the name "Arafat" which makes me think the translation had nothing to do with the so called question. There are no other questions asked to Abbas to answer by anyone other than just one question on the Cyprus issue, which has to be very odd, don't you think.? Here is the interesting part. The sound quality is much better from the female "reporter" who asked the question and the man who translated what Abbas said than the quality of the sound at other times for the translator. To me, it had a sound-stage quality to it, and my guess is, this was dubbed into the video after the fact. The only way to know what was said by Abbas, is to get someone who understand Arabic, otherwise this can easily be a sliced and cut propaganda tape for the Turks in Turkey to swallow, like Runaway. The whole 7+ minutes is very poorly manipulated and badly molested.!

Many thanks, Kiks. From what you describe only a fool would be fooled. It's a shame. I thought the good citizens of Istanbul were a more sophisticated lot.

[Kifeas]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

[runaway]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

One of the reasons may be simply because south cypriots are gavurs eşşoğluuu.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

One of the reasons may be simply because south cypriots are gavurs eşşoğluuu.

Said the little Facist khoz
PS LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC OF NAGORNO KARABAKH

[Kifeas]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

One of the reasons may be simply because south cypriots are gavurs eşşoğluuu.

Be yararsız …be hayırsız, don’t you know that the only reason your “TRNC” has not been recognized all these years by any Arab or any other Islamic country, neither by the IOC (Organization of the Islamic Conference,) is only because of the Palestinian and other Arab objections due to the clear similarities and parallelism they see or make between Turkey’s positions and acts in Cyprus, and those of Israel against the Palestinians?

After more than 20 years of rejection and absence, since 1983, you managed to only get the status of a non-voting observant in the IOC, and this only after Turkey attained the presidency of the organization, and you now tell me that Palestinians support your cause in Cyprus! For what reason? On what merits or basis?

Be hayvan …wake up!

[runaway]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

One of the reasons may be simply because south cypriots are gavurs eşşoğluuu.

Be yararsız …be hayırsız, don’t you know that the only reason your “TRNC” has not been recognized all these years by any Arab or any other Islamic country, neither by the IOC (Organization of the Islamic Conference,) is only because of the Palestinian and other Arab objections due to the clear similarities and parallelism they see or make between Turkey’s positions and acts in Cyprus, and those of Israel against the Palestinians?

After more than 20 years of rejection and absence, since 1983, you managed to only get the status of a non-voting observant in the IOC, and this only after Turkey attained the presidency of the organization, and you now tell me that Palestinians support your cause in Cyprus! For what reason? On what merits or basis?

Be hayvan …wake up!

hayvan! Abbas said he didn't back south cypriots on CYP issue. End of discussion.

[Kikapu]

Sorry guys the dream is over

The Palestinian leader recently dominated the agenda in Turkey after reports circulated that he had made remarks supporting the Greek Cypriot side during a visit to the southern part of the divided island. The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned the Palestinian envoy for further explanation. In reply to a question at the press conference, Abbas said the claims were baseless and fabricated.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2009-07-17

Be hayvan …be eşek, why on earth would Palestinian leader Abbas –or any single other Palestinian on this planet for this matter- would possibly ever support the Turkish / TC thesis and positions on Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians evicted the Israelis from their ancestral lands, in order to establish a Palestinian state on Israeli soil, just like you try to do in Cyprus? Is it because Palestinians continue to usurp Israeli lands and properties, build on them and colonize them with Arabs and Palestinians from the neighboring Arab countries, just like you do in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriot community and our properties in the occupied north? Is it because both Turkey and Palestine enjoy the full financial, military and political backing of the US, against the cause of the Greek Cypriots and the poor Israelis? For what reason (tell me one) would any Palestinian support Turkey in Cyprus? Are they masochists, or what?

One of the reasons may be simply because south cypriots are gavurs eşşoğluuu.

Be yararsız …be hayırsız, don’t you know that the only reason your “TRNC” has not been recognized all these years by any Arab or any other Islamic country, neither by the IOC (Organization of the Islamic Conference,) is only because of the Palestinian and other Arab objections due to the clear similarities and parallelism they see or make between Turkey’s positions and acts in Cyprus, and those of Israel against the Palestinians?

After more than 20 years of rejection and absence, since 1983, you managed to only get the status of a non-voting observant in the IOC, and this only after Turkey attained the presidency of the organization, and you now tell me that Palestinians support your cause in Cyprus! For what reason? On what merits or basis?

Be hayvan …wake up!

Kifeas, I'm impressed with your knowledge of Turkish words.

Tell me, did you mean to say yararsiz, or did you mean to say yaraksiz.? :lol: