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[SoSolidCrew]

That's already been proven as staged!

Where are the "dozens" you quoted?

Proven? Just because a goverment-controlled journalist said it?

I cant believe how brainwashed and full of hate you GCs are.

If we were full of hate we would invade other countries, kill the native people, and try to steal their land. We are not the ones who are doing that, right?

If Turks did steal the land, they'd make it their 82nd province. What GCs tried to do was the same with Greeks did to Create.

[Piratis]

That's already been proven as staged!

Where are the "dozens" you quoted?

Proven? Just because a goverment-controlled journalist said it?

I cant believe how brainwashed and full of hate you GCs are.

If we were full of hate we would invade other countries, kill the native people, and try to steal their land. We are not the ones who are doing that, right?

If Turks did steal the land, they'd make it their 82nd province. What GCs tried to do was the same with Greeks did to Create.

The Cretans decided what to do with their own island. Why don't you let Cypriots do the same and instead you keep invading our island, kill the native Cypriots and bring to our island foreign Turkish settlers?

[SoSolidCrew]

Why is not it wrong when Greeks killed TCs?

And also what would had happened to the TCs if they would not want to merge with Greece? Would you keep keeping them in ghetto areas?

Ah also, I wonder what'd happen to the Muslim majority of Create... since after the union with Greece, they did suddenly "disappeared" from the island.

Was not that an ethnic cleaning?

[Piratis]

Why is not it wrong when Greeks killed TCs?

Are you refering to Greek Cypriots or Greeks from mainland Greece? Greeks from mainland Greece never killed any TCs. Greek Cypriots killed Turkish Cypriots, in the exact same way that Turkish Cypriots killed Greek Cypriots, in the conflict that Turkish Cypriots started in 1958.

It would have been much better if TCs accepted democracy as means of taking decisions instead of brute force. In that way there would be no conflict and no casualties from either side.

And also what would had happened to the TCs if they would not want to merge with Greece? Would you keep keeping them in ghetto areas?

Did you ask us if we wanted to merge with the Ottoman empire when you first invaded our island? I don't think so. Do you think the Greeks of Asia Minor wanted to be part of Turkey? No.

The TCs could live as equal Greek citizens.

Ah also, I wonder what'd happen to the Muslim majority of Create... since after the union with Greece, they did suddenly "disappeared" from the island.

Was not that an ethnic cleaning?

The Muslims in Crete were never the majority. What happened to them is the same thing that happened to most Greeks of Asia Minor. It was called a "population exchange". More Greeks than Turks were part of that exchange, so what are you complaining for, its not that you didn't like it.

[SoSolidCrew]

Are you refering to Greek Cypriots or Greeks from mainland Greece? Greeks from mainland Greece never killed any TCs. Greek Cypriots killed Turkish Cypriots, in the exact same way that Turkish Cypriots killed Greek Cypriots, in the conflict that Turkish Cypriots started in 1958.

It would have been much better if TCs accepted democracy as means of taking decisions instead of brute force. In that way there would be no conflict and no casualties from either side.

Why should TCs start to kills GCs so 'suddenly' ? They did not wish to merge with Ankara, they even did not wish to break up with UK. It was GCs who were holding terrorist attacks to UK soldiers and wanted to merge with Athens.

Do not think that Turks in Turkey love to deal with shitty problems of yours on that stupid island.

The TCs could live as equal Greek citizens.

GCscould live as equal Turkish citizens. Better one is, TCs are living as equeal TRNC citizens, if we think as your way.

The Muslims in Crete were never the majority. What happened to them is the same thing that happened to most Greeks of Asia Minor. It was called a "population exchange". More Greeks than Turks were part of that exchange, so what are you complaining for, its not that you didn't like it.

No, the population exchange held 30 years after Crete events and it did not cover Crete anway. The Muslim population of Crete were ethnically 'cleansed'.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Viewpoint, are you a complete idiot to believe that there is even a single person, even a Turk/TC, who doesn't know what the aim of the Turkish invasion was right from the very first moment? Nobody believes your crap mate. On the day of the invasion the UN issued a resolution demanding the respect of the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and the withdrawal of all foreign troops. (http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr354.htm) If Turkey was acting on behalf of the UN doing a "peace operation", they wouldn't issue such a resolution would they? Your excuses are so lame that show clearly how guilty you are.

You are the moron here Piratis as it was with the blood on your hands, 11 years of persecution and discrimination of TCs, the greedy rush to gift Cyprus to Greece and the risk of TCs being wiped out forever that gave Turkey the pass to intervene in order to try and restore order but what did you do arm yourselves for 11 years to kill anyone who may extend a hand to the TCs. You killed them so in reality you unleased the full verocity of an army. You brough all these problems upon yourselves and to this day we are still not able to find middle to resolve things that why Turkey will remain.

Nobody gave any pass to Turkey. What you have done was and continues to be criminal and illegal and nobody is buying your lies and cheap excuses.

Your plan to annihilate every native Cypriot from half of Cyprus was made in the 50s, before any conflict started. The inter-communal conflict which you started, and the war of 1974 which again you started, were all part of your plan to exterminate Cypriots from half of their island and steal our lands.

If those people are Cypriots then why do you have to negotiate their stay in Cyprus? It clearly shows that if we do not accept that they can be Cypriots, they will never be Cypriots no matter what.
The same goes with land and a "Turkish State" of any kind. It can happen only if we accept such thing to happen.

If we do not agree, then all settlers remain illegal, and every single inch of Cyprus remains the territory of a unitary Republic of Cyprus.

ANd you can only solve the issues you face if we say yes, this is a 50% weight just like you we have the right to say YEs or NO, do you realize this as it appears you seem to think all you have to do is say yes and things will be ok, well thinks again.

You are wrong. Republic of Cyprus has the right to protect its own territory from invaders by all means possible. We choose to negotiate, not because we have to, but because the balance of power currently favors Turkey. But this will not always be the case.

Therefore if you are not smart enough to accept a solution today that will be acceptable to us as well, and you wait, then not only your pseudo state will never be recognized, not only those Turkish settlers will never become Cypriots, not only you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes and illegalities, but when the balance of power will change eventually (a matter of when, not a matter of if) we will not have to make the compromises we are blackmailed to make now, and every single Settler will be returned to his homeland. And since you say that you are foreign Settlers as well, then the same thing will happen to you. And all this will happen 100% legally.

Piratis again you are being very stupid we are willing to accept a TRNC a thousands times worse than capitulate to GC dominance and discriminaitons, we are partners in a BBF with political equality, exactly as the UN and the world prescribes. You can take your chnaces and wait for a swing in power but whos to say it will go your way? I recommend you take whats on offer now buşld confidence between the 2 states therefore allowing both sides to understand that further relaxation of rules and regulations will benefit everyone and that we can trust each other for the first time.

What you got now is the max you can get. If you thought you can blackmail us and force us to accept your terms you are wrong.

We are not partners in any BBF. We could be, with us being the major partners and you the minor partners, if you accept that any TC state will be made out of territory which belongs exclusively to TCs and which will not be more than the 18% of Cyprus. You can't have a TC state on land which belongs to GCs, and it is time for you to understand this.

Until you accept a real BBF as described above there is no partnership. What there is, is the one and only legal state in Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, ruled democratically by the native Cypriot people, and a pseudo state declared illegally by Turks on our island, which is of course recognized by nobody.

Piratis go collect all the little pieces of paper you want and pray everday for the swing in power but nothing will change unless we the 2 sieds want it to, if you are not willing to compromise then nor are we. Obvioulsy from all the debates we have had on this forum the chasm exsists and as long you persist in turning us into a minority in a GC state you can go take a jump, we will fight back for the survival of the TRNC with everything we have and never forget that that power you long for may even go further our way and like before you will have to learn the lesson you never learned in 1974, dont play with bombs they have a habit of going off in your face.