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[yialousa1971]

It's not enough ...

Now some "TC"s are complaining the Turks should have killed twice as many GCs and stolen 80% of our Island:

WHAT A SHAME THAT MEHMETCIK ONLY DID A HALF HEARTED JOB BACK IN 1974!

Would the TCs be happier if Gabira was the General of the Mehmetcik and she pushed them to kill and rape twice as many GCs?

Would the TCs be wealthier if they had twice as many GC homes to illegally sell to foreigners?

Are the TCs now wiser and regret they only did a "half hearted job back in 1974" ?

Never trust a Turk, they are all the same. All claim to be victims, never the aggressor thou.

[Viewpoint]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

If I was lying you would have been able to provide facts to prove me wrong. Like it is so easy for me to prove you wrong when you are lying all the time.

But I am 100% correct on this, which is reflected in your absolute inability to counter what I say.

It is amazing how brainwashed some people like you are. You have been fed the fairy tale that Turkey invaded Cyprus to save the TC who were supposdedly massacured, and when the facts and the truth is given to you, which contradict the lies you have been fed to excuse the illegal criminal invasion of Turkey, you prefer to close your eyes and continue to believe to the lies you were fed.

Your arguement falls flat because for whatever reason Turkey arrived it played out in our favour as we are all still alive and thank them for all their support over the 35 years they have provided us with a safe haven from GC aggression and discrimination, our lives have improved 1000 fold from the days when we were supposed to be living together with our "compatriots".

How is this related with my argument? What I said, which is a fact, is that it is the Turks who as always started the killings in 1974. The story that they came to save the TCs who were supposedly being killed, is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda and nothing more.

Beyond that, if you enjoy your life better now that you stole the properties of 100s of thousands of innocent people and profited on their loss, or because now you can pretend that you rule a territory which belongs to us by 80%, is another story. However you continue to face the consequences of your illegal actions, and these consequences will get more and more as the time passes, as the ECJ case showed. In the end the 90% of you will emigrate abroad, and you will be logging-in the forum from UK and Australia, claiming that life in Cyprus is now so much better for you

You are yet again wrong in your thought process you are writing what you want to believe not what the reality is, did Turkey arrive and kick your butts? did you kill them first on the shores of Kyrenia coming off the boats? why did you not hand them flowers when they arrived to save everyone, or were your hands so blood stained and your minds full of guilt that you had to stop them from discovering the truth about the previous 11 years?

Piratis you can be guaranteed one thing as long as there is no agree solution the population in the TRNC will grow we are 500.000 and growing in 20 years time we will have passed your population and have 2nd 3rd new generation TCs, the propaganda about us disapearing in GC manufactured to scare original TCs into thinking they will disappear well in fact our population growth is a mixture of Turks who arrived 450 years and those after that time. IN 40 50 years time you will be begging for partition as you will not want to give the TCs living in the north 1 vote one man as they will outvote you on everything and then you will have something to scream about.

The non recognition will not last forever and we are preapred to wait even, so you continue to collect all rulings and decisions you want, we will be around in the TRNC for a long time to come or if at any stage you decide to comprehend that you now have to share this island with TCs under a BBF with politcal equality of the states then you may get somewhere otherwise we are prepared for much worse as the alternative is unthinkable.

Turkey invaded us, bombed our cities with their airplanes, then made a landing killing everybody that resisted their invasion and VP says that we attacked them first because we defended our territory while they were invading us!

The Turkish settlers that you bring on our country are just that. Illegal Turkish settlers. They will never become Cypriots because the one and only legal state in Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, will never give them the Cyprus citizenship. The only thing you will achieve is that soon everybody in the occupied territory will be a Turk and not Cypriot, which means that when our island will be liberated all of you will be send back to your homeland, so we can have ours back.

You still dont get it even Makarios asked for help at the UN so Turkey took on a peace operation but youwere so guilty of hidden agendas and the blood you had on your hands that you did not welcome help with flowers you blew the land,ng troops to pieces, you killed Turkish Troops first had you not done so they would have helped restore law and order anf have left bt now, you guys yet again fucked up big time.

Population growth happens in countries in mant ways and people from abroad are always given citizenship but lets pass that even today your leader is negotiating the 50.000 stay in 20 30 40 years time this figure will get bigger and bigger and you will be forced by the EU to accept theose born raised and married here. As we say in 50 future you will be the ones begging for partition. Plus Piratis do you know where TCs came from? this "we are Cypriots" crap just makes you look stupid so Id stop using it if I were you. I know many Turk and TC marriages were the children are just that children being raised in the TRNC.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis understanding of "defence" is murdering unarmed villages and dumping them in mass graves, or alternatively people can starve to death.

Why don't you post more shitty documents about it Piratis, that's all you're good for.

Oh and don't forget that shitty video as well!

While of course the 1000s of people you killed and the 100s of thousands you ethnically cleansed were all guilty, isn't it?

As I said, none of those people would have died if Turkey had not invaded Cyprus. Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to execute a plan you had since the 50s of exterminating every Greek Cypriot from the north part of Cyprus. You executed this plan in 1974 using a lie as an excuse.

Now instead of blaming yourselves for starting a war, for killing 1000s and for ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands, you are trying to blame GCs because in the war you started you also had a couple of 100 of casualties.

I support that decisions should be taken peacefully and democratically, one person one vote without racist discrimination among the citizens, and always with respect to the human rights of every single citizen. Unfortunately there are racists like you who believe that you have the right to impose your will undemocratically by force, you start wars, you kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, and then you are trying to present yourselves as the victims because in the wars you start you also have a few casualties

Far more people could have been killed if Turkey had not intervened namely TCs so dont give us the crap about GC death toll which the majority were lost while fihgting the Greeks, we will not apologise for fight for survival, you played with a bomb and it exploded.

As for your dream, its is not the surgeons knife that we are afraid of but the surgeon you will force us to have that will shape our future lives, thats whom we do not trust.

[growuptcs]

Piratis understanding of "defence" is murdering unarmed villages and dumping them in mass graves, or alternatively people can starve to death.

Why don't you post more shitty documents about it Piratis, that's all you're good for.

Oh and don't forget that shitty video as well!

While of course the 1000s of people you killed and the 100s of thousands you ethnically cleansed were all guilty, isn't it?

As I said, none of those people would have died if Turkey had not invaded Cyprus. Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to execute a plan you had since the 50s of exterminating every Greek Cypriot from the north part of Cyprus. You executed this plan in 1974 using a lie as an excuse.

Now instead of blaming yourselves for starting a war, for killing 1000s and for ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands, you are trying to blame GCs because in the war you started you also had a couple of 100 of casualties.

I support that decisions should be taken peacefully and democratically, one person one vote without racist discrimination among the citizens, and always with respect to the human rights of every single citizen. Unfortunately there are racists like you who believe that you have the right to impose your will undemocratically by force, you start wars, you kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands, and then you are trying to present yourselves as the victims because in the wars you start you also have a few casualties

Far more people could have been killed if Turkey had not intervened namely TCs so dont give us the crap about GC death toll which the majority were lost while fihgting the Greeks, we will not apologise for fight for survival, you played with a bomb and it exploded.

As for your dream, its is not the surgeons knife that we are afraid of but the surgeon you will force us to have that will shape our future lives, thats whom we do not trust.

Its not the knife or the sugeon that you don't trust....it,s not knowing what life will be like after your bi-zonal operation.

[Nikitas]

"It is funny you say that Nikitas, considering women were allowed to vote in Greece 22 years and in Cyprus 30 years AFTER Turkey had done so. "

One-man-one-vote really is your moto isn't it, literally!"

And in Switzerland women did not get the vote till the 1970s, are you now going to assert in public that Turkey is ahead of Switzerland?

The voting issue, and the reference I made above, is in regard to the election process nevisaged in the settlement being discussed now. Nami told the Athens News that there cannot be such a system in the election of Federal officials, because it would violate his view of political equality. Do you get it now Shah?

[Nikitas]

Viewpoint above makes the point that there is no such thing as a TC, that they basically are all Turks therefore there is no point in talking about settlers etc.

This cynical approach puts things in the right perspective and shines a light on the lame excuse that Turkey did it for the TCs. FOr Turkey there is no such thing as TCs. There are Turks and their aim is to shove enough of them in the north to equalise the population levels, and eventually to upset the balance altogether.

Faced with that kind of cynicism then we also must look at the other side that wanted to expell the Turks and make the island part of Greek territory and treat it with an equally amoral, cynical manner and come to the conclusion that it was the right choice. It is not my view, but in view of the attitude of people like VP it does gain some weight.

But if there are no Cypriots and we fall back to the Greeks and Turks approach then Turkey has created a huge problem for itself in Cyprus, but VP does not see it that way. The future will show who is right.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint above makes the point that there is no such thing as a TC, that they basically are all Turks therefore there is no point in talking about settlers etc.

This cynical approach puts things in the right perspective and shines a light on the lame excuse that Turkey did it for the TCs. FOr Turkey there is no such thing as TCs. There are Turks and their aim is to shove enough of them in the north to equalise the population levels, and eventually to upset the balance altogether.

Faced with that kind of cynicism then we also must look at the other side that wanted to expell the Turks and make the island part of Greek territory and treat it with an equally amoral, cynical manner and come to the conclusion that it was the right choice. It is not my view, but in view of the attitude of people like VP it does gain some weight.

But if there are no Cypriots and we fall back to the Greeks and Turks approach then Turkey has created a huge problem for itself in Cyprus, but VP does not see it that way. The future will show who is right.

Give it another 100 years and things will resolve itself under a 2 state solution.

[repulsewarrior]

One man one vote, that is an alien concept not approved by Kemal. At least not as far as it applies to the non privileged nationalities, ie all non Turks. It is funny watching the antics of Turkey as far as religious and ethnic minority rights are concerned in its EU bid. It is one step forward two steps back, faithful to the Kemalist doctrine of a racially pure state.

Ethnic cleansing is too deeply ingrained in the Kemalist mindset to change now.

...sorry to disagree with you Nikitas, Ataturk would have approved of "one man one vote", Kemalists do not.

...Ataturk was a great Nationalists who gave to the Turkish People a State, where all of Turkey's peoples found an identity. It is the Kemalists who corrupted his efforts by insisting a "Turk" was is and has to be "Turkish" and not "Turcophone".

...if Ataturk was alive today, likely he would nail the Kemalists hats to their heads.

...but yes, likely, ethnic cleansing is ingrained in the Kemalist's politic.

[Piratis]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

If I was lying you would have been able to provide facts to prove me wrong. Like it is so easy for me to prove you wrong when you are lying all the time.

But I am 100% correct on this, which is reflected in your absolute inability to counter what I say.

It is amazing how brainwashed some people like you are. You have been fed the fairy tale that Turkey invaded Cyprus to save the TC who were supposdedly massacured, and when the facts and the truth is given to you, which contradict the lies you have been fed to excuse the illegal criminal invasion of Turkey, you prefer to close your eyes and continue to believe to the lies you were fed.

Your arguement falls flat because for whatever reason Turkey arrived it played out in our favour as we are all still alive and thank them for all their support over the 35 years they have provided us with a safe haven from GC aggression and discrimination, our lives have improved 1000 fold from the days when we were supposed to be living together with our "compatriots".

How is this related with my argument? What I said, which is a fact, is that it is the Turks who as always started the killings in 1974. The story that they came to save the TCs who were supposedly being killed, is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda and nothing more.

Beyond that, if you enjoy your life better now that you stole the properties of 100s of thousands of innocent people and profited on their loss, or because now you can pretend that you rule a territory which belongs to us by 80%, is another story. However you continue to face the consequences of your illegal actions, and these consequences will get more and more as the time passes, as the ECJ case showed. In the end the 90% of you will emigrate abroad, and you will be logging-in the forum from UK and Australia, claiming that life in Cyprus is now so much better for you

You are yet again wrong in your thought process you are writing what you want to believe not what the reality is, did Turkey arrive and kick your butts? did you kill them first on the shores of Kyrenia coming off the boats? why did you not hand them flowers when they arrived to save everyone, or were your hands so blood stained and your minds full of guilt that you had to stop them from discovering the truth about the previous 11 years?

Piratis you can be guaranteed one thing as long as there is no agree solution the population in the TRNC will grow we are 500.000 and growing in 20 years time we will have passed your population and have 2nd 3rd new generation TCs, the propaganda about us disapearing in GC manufactured to scare original TCs into thinking they will disappear well in fact our population growth is a mixture of Turks who arrived 450 years and those after that time. IN 40 50 years time you will be begging for partition as you will not want to give the TCs living in the north 1 vote one man as they will outvote you on everything and then you will have something to scream about.

The non recognition will not last forever and we are preapred to wait even, so you continue to collect all rulings and decisions you want, we will be around in the TRNC for a long time to come or if at any stage you decide to comprehend that you now have to share this island with TCs under a BBF with politcal equality of the states then you may get somewhere otherwise we are prepared for much worse as the alternative is unthinkable.

Turkey invaded us, bombed our cities with their airplanes, then made a landing killing everybody that resisted their invasion and VP says that we attacked them first because we defended our territory while they were invading us!

The Turkish settlers that you bring on our country are just that. Illegal Turkish settlers. They will never become Cypriots because the one and only legal state in Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, will never give them the Cyprus citizenship. The only thing you will achieve is that soon everybody in the occupied territory will be a Turk and not Cypriot, which means that when our island will be liberated all of you will be send back to your homeland, so we can have ours back.

You still dont get it even Makarios asked for help at the UN so Turkey took on a peace operation but youwere so guilty of hidden agendas and the blood you had on your hands that you did not welcome help with flowers you blew the land,ng troops to pieces, you killed Turkish Troops first had you not done so they would have helped restore law and order anf have left bt now, you guys yet again fucked up big time.

Viewpoint, are you a complete idiot to believe that there is even a single person, even a Turk/TC, who doesn't know what the aim of the Turkish invasion was right from the very first moment? Nobody believes your crap mate. On the day of the invasion the UN issued a resolution demanding the respect of the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and the withdrawal of all foreign troops. (http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr354.htm) If Turkey was acting on behalf of the UN doing a "peace operation", they wouldn't issue such a resolution would they? Your excuses are so lame that show clearly how guilty you are.

Population growth happens in countries in mant ways and people from abroad are always given citizenship but lets pass that even today your leader is negotiating the 50.000 stay in 20 30 40 years time this figure will get bigger and bigger and you will be forced by the EU to accept theose born raised and married here. As we say in 50 future you will be the ones begging for partition. Plus Piratis do you know where TCs came from? this "we are Cypriots" crap just makes you look stupid so Id stop using it if I were you. I know many Turk and TC marriages were the children are just that children being raised in the TRNC.

If those people are Cypriots then why do you have to negotiate their stay in Cyprus? It clearly shows that if we do not accept that they can be Cypriots, they will never be Cypriots no matter what.
The same goes with land and a "Turkish State" of any kind. It can happen only if we accept such thing to happen.

If we do not agree, then all settlers remain illegal, and every single inch of Cyprus remains the territory of a unitary Republic of Cyprus.

Therefore if you are not smart enough to accept a solution today that will be acceptable to us as well, and you wait, then not only your pseudo state will never be recognized, not only those Turkish settlers will never become Cypriots, not only you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes and illegalities, but when the balance of power will change eventually (a matter of when, not a matter of if) we will not have to make the compromises we are blackmailed to make now, and every single Settler will be returned to his homeland. And since you say that you are foreign Settlers as well, then the same thing will happen to you. And all this will happen 100% legally.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Viewpoint, are you a complete idiot to believe that there is even a single person, even a Turk/TC, who doesn't know what the aim of the Turkish invasion was right from the very first moment? Nobody believes your crap mate. On the day of the invasion the UN issued a resolution demanding the respect of the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and the withdrawal of all foreign troops. (http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr354.htm) If Turkey was acting on behalf of the UN doing a "peace operation", they wouldn't issue such a resolution would they? Your excuses are so lame that show clearly how guilty you are.

You are the moron here Piratis as it was with the blood on your hands, 11 years of persecution and discrimination of TCs, the greedy rush to gift Cyprus to Greece and the risk of TCs being wiped out forever that gave Turkey the pass to intervene in order to try and restore order but what did you do arm yourselves for 11 years to kill anyone who may extend a hand to the TCs. You killed them so in reality you unleased the full verocity of an army. You brough all these problems upon yourselves and to this day we are still not able to find middle to resolve things that why Turkey will remain.

If those people are Cypriots then why do you have to negotiate their stay in Cyprus? It clearly shows that if we do not accept that they can be Cypriots, they will never be Cypriots no matter what.
The same goes with land and a "Turkish State" of any kind. It can happen only if we accept such thing to happen.

If we do not agree, then all settlers remain illegal, and every single inch of Cyprus remains the territory of a unitary Republic of Cyprus.

ANd you can only solve the issues you face if we say yes, this is a 50% weight just like you we have the right to say YEs or NO, do you realize this as it appears you seem to think all you have to do is say yes and things will be ok, well thinks again.

Therefore if you are not smart enough to accept a solution today that will be acceptable to us as well, and you wait, then not only your pseudo state will never be recognized, not only those Turkish settlers will never become Cypriots, not only you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes and illegalities, but when the balance of power will change eventually (a matter of when, not a matter of if) we will not have to make the compromises we are blackmailed to make now, and every single Settler will be returned to his homeland. And since you say that you are foreign Settlers as well, then the same thing will happen to you. And all this will happen 100% legally.

Piratis again you are being very stupid we are willing to accept a TRNC a thousands times worse than capitulate to GC dominance and discriminaitons, we are partners in a BBF with political equality, exactly as the UN and the world prescribes. You can take your chnaces and wait for a swing in power but whos to say it will go your way? I recommend you take whats on offer now buşld confidence between the 2 states therefore allowing both sides to understand that further relaxation of rules and regulations will benefit everyone and that we can trust each other for the first time.