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[shahmaran]

Shah said:

"thousands and thousands of witnesses "

And any of these witnesses tell of any TC being harmed before July 20th? Where are they, bring them on so we can hear their testimony. You are one humingous bullshitter. Even Ecevit in his rantings prior to the invasion talked of "potential" trouble, never of any actual clashes between GCs and TCs.

You are obviously not old enough to remember those days. Those of us who are old enough do not need to rely on reports. The lists of missing persons the TC side supplied to the UN speak volumes. From 1963 till 1974 there are 650 people registered. So where are these myriads of victims from July 1974 that you are talking about.

You have used Maratha and Sandalaris time and again as the rallying cause. But before and during these massacres your brave TMT was executing people in Palekythro, Afania, Mia Milia. And your "best in Nato" army went on a rampage weeks after the hostilities had enxded. Read the Sunday Times insight reports from September 1974, titled "somethint terrible has been happening here" about the massacres of enclaved civlians in Karpasia.

And till then do us all a favor.......

Nikitas where have I said "killing", you are not reading carefully or you are confusing threads, obviously you ARE old enough to remember it all

Oh and humongous is spelled with an O...

[wyoming cowboy]

As for who fired the first shot being there at 530 in the morning july 20, after a few days earlier seeing the GC NG removing their weaponry towards Paphos and Limassol, in order to quell the anti-junta soldiers. What woke me up that morning was a barrage of TAF planes hitting the Pentadaktylos range. There was no GC army at five mile, west of Kyrenia or anywhere close. The Turks should proclaim God Bless the Greek junta when they celebrate on the 20th.

[Piratis]

At least, we have no blood on our hands

Now that is a bit far fetched even by your standards Oracle, don't you think?

And yet, even out of its full explanatory context .... how justifiably true it still remains!

If we had ventured off to go and invade, conquer, colonise, ethnically cleanse others from their lands, who were merely trying to exist on their bit of space, then we would have had blood on our hands.

But, we haven't done any of the above. We have merely tried (unsuccessfully) to defend ourselves and our thousands of years heritage from extinction by the Expansionist Turks ...

We have been here for 500 years Oracle, what are you exactly "defending" yourself from, and why now?

Plus how does annihilating 3 unarmed villages fit anywhere within the term "defense" ?

This was roughly around the time when the TC's were all trapped in the enclaves dying for years with no means of attacking anything, which further requires you to define your understanding of "defense".

Or you could just stop disguising yourself as the "foolish and ignorant victim" because it is insulting to the level of intelligence you portray in other posts, it just doesn't fit and clearly shows how sinister your intentions really are.

So lets get this right. You are saying that the killing of 1000s of innocent Greek Cypriots and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent Greek Cypriots were all excused, and the only thing that was not excused was the killing of 200 or so TCs in that same war started by Turkey and TCs?

Personally I would say that the killing of innocent people is not excused. In fact the President of Cyprus, in the most official way has condemned those murders. It is unfortunate that you don't say the same, and you value only the life of Turks, while at the same time you celebrate the killing and the ethnic cleansing of innocent people!

Also, you should not mix up the cause and the effect. The big Turkish lie says that Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to save the TCs who were being massacred. This is a big fat LIE. The truth is that the Turks invaded and started to kill GCs first, and the TC casualties came after. The cause was the Turkish invasion. The death of many 1000s of GCs and a couple of 100 of TCs were the result of the Turkish invasion.

Personally I condemn all such killings of innocent people.
What I always support is that instead of choosing force to kill and violate the human rights of people, we should instead take decisions democratically, one person one vote, and always with respect to the human rights of every single citizen. Unfortunately you do not care about democracy, nor about human rights, and you believe you have the right to use brute force to get whatever suits you, even at the expense of the human rights of innocent people.

The big liar is the one who ignores thousands and thousands of witnesses who are still alive today and can tell you otherwise.

Give it up Piratis, no one gives a toss about the history you write in your spare time, we have real facts and real witnesses, not some cyber clown with a few shitty websites and way too much time on his hands.

What do those "thousands of witnesses" tell otherwise?

I am waiting for "witnesses" that will refute this:

Also, you should not mix up the cause and the effect. The big Turkish lie says that Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to save the TCs who were being massacred. This is a big fat LIE. The truth is that the Turks invaded and started to kill GCs first, and the TC casualties came after. The cause was the Turkish invasion. The death of many 1000s of GCs and a couple of 100 of TCs were the result of the Turkish invasion.

[SoSolidCrew]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

[Piratis]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

If I was lying you would have been able to provide facts to prove me wrong. Like it is so easy for me to prove you wrong when you are lying all the time.

But I am 100% correct on this, which is reflected in your absolute inability to counter what I say.

It is amazing how brainwashed some people like you are. You have been fed the fairy tale that Turkey invaded Cyprus to save the TC who were supposdedly massacured, and when the facts and the truth is given to you, which contradict the lies you have been fed to excuse the illegal criminal invasion of Turkey, you prefer to close your eyes and continue to believe to the lies you were fed.

[Viewpoint]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

If I was lying you would have been able to provide facts to prove me wrong. Like it is so easy for me to prove you wrong when you are lying all the time.

But I am 100% correct on this, which is reflected in your absolute inability to counter what I say.

It is amazing how brainwashed some people like you are. You have been fed the fairy tale that Turkey invaded Cyprus to save the TC who were supposdedly massacured, and when the facts and the truth is given to you, which contradict the lies you have been fed to excuse the illegal criminal invasion of Turkey, you prefer to close your eyes and continue to believe to the lies you were fed.

Your arguement falls flat because for whatever reason Turkey arrived it played out in our favour as we are all still alive and thank them for all their support over the 35 years they have provided us with a safe haven from GC aggression and discrimination, our lives have improved 1000 fold from the days when we were supposed to be living together with our "compatriots".

[Nikitas]

Shah you are right, I am getting on in years, I am the exact same age as Talat. Time for soups, yoghurt and a rocking chair

[Piratis]

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

If I was lying you would have been able to provide facts to prove me wrong. Like it is so easy for me to prove you wrong when you are lying all the time.

But I am 100% correct on this, which is reflected in your absolute inability to counter what I say.

It is amazing how brainwashed some people like you are. You have been fed the fairy tale that Turkey invaded Cyprus to save the TC who were supposdedly massacured, and when the facts and the truth is given to you, which contradict the lies you have been fed to excuse the illegal criminal invasion of Turkey, you prefer to close your eyes and continue to believe to the lies you were fed.

Your arguement falls flat because for whatever reason Turkey arrived it played out in our favour as we are all still alive and thank them for all their support over the 35 years they have provided us with a safe haven from GC aggression and discrimination, our lives have improved 1000 fold from the days when we were supposed to be living together with our "compatriots".

How is this related with my argument? What I said, which is a fact, is that it is the Turks who as always started the killings in 1974. The story that they came to save the TCs who were supposedly being killed, is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda and nothing more.

Beyond that, if you enjoy your life better now that you stole the properties of 100s of thousands of innocent people and profited on their loss, or because now you can pretend that you rule a territory which belongs to us by 80%, is another story. However you continue to face the consequences of your illegal actions, and these consequences will get more and more as the time passes, as the ECJ case showed. In the end the 90% of you will emigrate abroad, and you will be logging-in the forum from UK and Australia, claiming that life in Cyprus is now so much better for you

[wyoming cowboy]

The Turks cant admit that it was Nato who organized the invasion of Cyprus. If they do it will take away from their proud army. they cant help but gloat that their army invaded and occuppies an island.

[Dr J]

Your arguement falls flat because for whatever reason Turkey arrived it played out in our favour as we are all still alive and thank them for all their support over the 35 years they have provided us with a safe haven from GC aggression and discrimination, our lives have improved 1000 fold from the days when we were supposed to be living together with our "compatriots".

Your lives have improved 1000 fold hence why many Turkish Cypriots have left Cyprus or are surrounded by a society and culture from middle Asia. Turkish Cypriots as you know it will be extinct in 50 years at this rate and simply known as Turks.

They should have. So you would not be lying anymore.

Is anyone going to listen to a dick called 'So Solid Crew'?? LOL