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[wyoming cowboy]

Is that the best you can do. You put absolutely no thought into your statement, "....in 67 we stopped because we thought that Turkey would intervene" Again in 67 there were 15000 well armed troops on Cyprus but we stopped because Turkey would intervene, man you been smoking too many hookas..Here is the other one "...in 74 we went ahead with the plan because we didnt think Turkey would intervene" With Cyprus being totally defenseless we felt more bold in declaring Enosis...You should be a comedian, everything you say is a joke...My statements are logical and chronologically accurate you sound like an 5th grader standing up in front of his class giving a speech

YFred you ignorant slut, keep spewing your garbage about the coup and the annihilation of the Turk cyps. Sampson was a puppet placed in power by the fascist regimes of usa,uk,nato. Turkey was only a spoke in the wheel of negating Cyprus's independence. If the GC wanted to annihilate the Tc and was a form of government policy then why didnt they do it. between 64-74. You forget that i lived on the island before 74 and saw first hand what was happening. Nicosia was a mix of Gc and Tc not all Tc voluntarily left for Denktashs enclaves, Tc villages were spread throughout Cyprus, and 71-74 the enclave Tc were going back to their villages. Noone can tell me that government policy was to annihilate the Tc from Cyprus. The plan by the fascist regimes started in 64 67 with the overthrow of papandreou from Greece and a right wing colonel being the leader of Greece. A 15000 Greek division was removed from Cyprus right after the junta took power in Greece in 71 Grivas comes back and forms Eoka B in order to overthrow Makarios(The Castro of the Mediterranean) as described by Kissinger, and cause chaos. The fascist could not use the Tc to destabalize makarios so they brought in Grivas. Hence we have the coup of 74 Makarios overthrow and Turkish invasion. If the Greeks in Cyprus or Greece thought they could achieve Enosis why didnt they declare it in 67 with 15000 well armed troops on Cyprus, and they waited for 74 where Cyprus was virtually undefended. So to answer your question there was no plan by Sampson to kill Turk cyps after he took power or declare Enosis. The plan as it played out was to guarantee Nato a slice of Cyprus, by using its powers over Greece and Turkey. Your statement is null and void..

Slaughter of TCs? Can Gqbira and Shah name ONE TC harmed between 1/1/1968 and 20/7/1974? Rhetorical question since none were harmed.

There is a surreal side to this issue. THe community that struggled to prevent enosis and its eradication now has achieved both. The TC are effectively united with Turkey and are rapidly becoming extinct, from a community of more than 100 000 there are 40 000 left after thirty five years of "freedom". Strange......

Please confirm that Sampson had no plans what so ever to harm any TCs after he finished with the GC opposition and while you are at it, please explain what the coup was for. What was Sampson going to do different to Makarios, which was following a political and economic suffocation of the TCs. Please tell me he did not have any military plans against the TCs and we can all have a good laugh.

Thank you for that. I also lived in Cyprus between 63 and 72. So I am well aware of what was going on. I really wanted Nikitas to supply the weekend laughter, but yours will have to do.
Ignorance and slutting is something you Fascist GCs are very good at.
In 67 you only stopped because Turkey was about to intervene and you knew it. The reason for 74, was that you believed Turkey would not intervene. You were wrong, so eat your humble pie and shut it.

[Viewpoint]

At least, we have no blood on our hands

Now that is a bit far fetched even by your standards Oracle, don't you think?

And yet, even out of its full explanatory context .... how justifiably true it still remains!

If we had ventured off to go and invade, conquer, colonise, ethnically cleanse others from their lands, who were merely trying to exist on their bit of space, then we would have had blood on our hands.

But, we haven't done any of the above. We have merely tried (unsuccessfully) to defend ourselves and our thousands of years heritage from extinction by the Expansionist Turks ...

We have been here for 500 years Oracle, what are you exactly "defending" yourself from, and why now?

Plus how does annihilating 3 unarmed villages fit anywhere within the term "defense" ?

This was roughly around the time when the TC's were all trapped in the enclaves dying for years with no means of attacking anything, which further requires you to define your understanding of "defense".

Or you could just stop disguising yourself as the "foolish and ignorant victim" because it is insulting to the level of intelligence you portray in other posts, it just doesn't fit and clearly shows how sinister your intentions really are.

So lets get this right. You are saying that the killing of 1000s of innocent Greek Cypriots and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent Greek Cypriots were all excused, and the only thing that was not excused was the killing of 200 or so TCs in that same war started by Turkey and TCs?

Personally I would say that the killing of innocent people is not excused. In fact the President of Cyprus, in the most official way has condemned those murders. It is unfortunate that you don't say the same, and you value only the life of Turks, while at the same time you celebrate the killing and the ethnic cleansing of innocent people!

Also, you should not mix up the cause and the effect. The big Turkish lie says that Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to save the TCs who were being massacred. This is a big fat LIE. The truth is that the Turks invaded and started to kill GCs first, and the TC casualties came after. The cause was the Turkish invasion. The death of many 1000s of GCs and a couple of 100 of TCs were the result of the Turkish invasion.

Personally I condemn all such killings of innocent people.
What I always support is that instead of choosing force to kill and violate the human rights of people, we should instead take decisions democratically, one person one vote, and always with respect to the human rights of every single citizen. Unfortunately you do not care about democracy, nor about human rights, and you believe you have the right to use brute force to get whatever suits you, even at the expense of the human rights of innocent people.

You GCs killed Turkish soliders first thats why they fought back with the ferocity of any armyç

[Nikitas]

Details, for YFred. Once the coup was established, that is by Tuesday 16th July 1974, the coup leaders were trying desperately to find a president. That shows the extent of the planning involved.

Clerides refused, Supreme Court President Triantafyllides also refused. They desperately needed someone to appoint as president, and the lucky one was Sampson who was a member of parliament in the years before the coup. These are the details that cast light on the situation.

You guys (Shah, Yfred, Gabira) want desperately to make the whole thing seem like a well organised plot and the Sampson appointment a preplanned part of it. Well, the whole thing was a major fuck up by a psychopath who refuses to this day to admit he was wrong and prefers to die in jail rather than speak publicly about 1974.

As for the plan, it was a simple double union. Half of the plan is actually in place and functioning, it is called TRNC and it has had radical effects on the TC community, but you lot are just too wise and above it all to notice. You are now less than half the numbers you were in those bad old days before 1974. Even Makarios with his policy of benign neglect of the TCs could not reduce their numbers as drastically as motherland Turkey has done in one generation. Enjoy your future as proud liberated Cypriots!

[Nikitas]

Ferocity that went as far as sinking one of their own destroyers and seriously damaging two others.

The best army in Nato in action. Like the aggressive footballer who scores own goals.

Word has it that Turkish pilots were rewarded with houses in Karmi. Which house did you give to the fools that sank the Kocatepe and killed 154 sailors?

[Nikitas]

Mia Milia, Afania, Palekythro, all happened before the "best in Nato" had any real opposition. Go back and search your sources.

[shahmaran]

At least, we have no blood on our hands

Now that is a bit far fetched even by your standards Oracle, don't you think?

And yet, even out of its full explanatory context .... how justifiably true it still remains!

If we had ventured off to go and invade, conquer, colonise, ethnically cleanse others from their lands, who were merely trying to exist on their bit of space, then we would have had blood on our hands.

But, we haven't done any of the above. We have merely tried (unsuccessfully) to defend ourselves and our thousands of years heritage from extinction by the Expansionist Turks ...

We have been here for 500 years Oracle, what are you exactly "defending" yourself from, and why now?

Plus how does annihilating 3 unarmed villages fit anywhere within the term "defense" ?

This was roughly around the time when the TC's were all trapped in the enclaves dying for years with no means of attacking anything, which further requires you to define your understanding of "defense".

Or you could just stop disguising yourself as the "foolish and ignorant victim" because it is insulting to the level of intelligence you portray in other posts, it just doesn't fit and clearly shows how sinister your intentions really are.

So lets get this right. You are saying that the killing of 1000s of innocent Greek Cypriots and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of innocent Greek Cypriots were all excused, and the only thing that was not excused was the killing of 200 or so TCs in that same war started by Turkey and TCs?

Personally I would say that the killing of innocent people is not excused. In fact the President of Cyprus, in the most official way has condemned those murders. It is unfortunate that you don't say the same, and you value only the life of Turks, while at the same time you celebrate the killing and the ethnic cleansing of innocent people!

Also, you should not mix up the cause and the effect. The big Turkish lie says that Turkey invaded Cyprus in order to save the TCs who were being massacred. This is a big fat LIE. The truth is that the Turks invaded and started to kill GCs first, and the TC casualties came after. The cause was the Turkish invasion. The death of many 1000s of GCs and a couple of 100 of TCs were the result of the Turkish invasion.

Personally I condemn all such killings of innocent people.
What I always support is that instead of choosing force to kill and violate the human rights of people, we should instead take decisions democratically, one person one vote, and always with respect to the human rights of every single citizen. Unfortunately you do not care about democracy, nor about human rights, and you believe you have the right to use brute force to get whatever suits you, even at the expense of the human rights of innocent people.

The big liar is the one who ignores thousands and thousands of witnesses who are still alive today and can tell you otherwise.

Give it up Piratis, no one gives a toss about the history you write in your spare time, we have real facts and real witnesses, not some cyber clown with a few shitty websites and way too much time on his hands.

[shahmaran]

At least, we have no blood on our hands

Now that is a bit far fetched even by your standards Oracle, don't you think?

And yet, even out of its full explanatory context .... how justifiably true it still remains!

If we had ventured off to go and invade, conquer, colonise, ethnically cleanse others from their lands, who were merely trying to exist on their bit of space, then we would have had blood on our hands.

But, we haven't done any of the above. We have merely tried (unsuccessfully) to defend ourselves and our thousands of years heritage from extinction by the Expansionist Turks ...

We have been here for 500 years Oracle, what are you exactly "defending" yourself from, and why now?

Plus how does annihilating 3 unarmed villages fit anywhere within the term "defense" ?

This was roughly around the time when the TC's were all trapped in the enclaves dying for years with no means of attacking anything, which further requires you to define your understanding of "defense".

Or you could just stop disguising yourself as the "foolish and ignorant victim" because it is insulting to the level of intelligence you portray in other posts, it just doesn't fit and clearly shows how sinister your intentions really are.

Şahmaran tebrik ediyorum. Bu kötü kadına daha iyi cevaplar verilemez.

Hem çok kötü hemde çok çakal.

Allah kimseyi bunun gibilerin eline düşürmesin

[Get Real!]

You GCs killed Turkish soliders first thats why they fought back with the ferocity of any armyç

Well what do you know… it’s another one of those... "They made me do it!"

[Get Real!]

This was roughly around the time when the TC's were all trapped in the enclaves dying for years with no means of attacking anything,...

Tales from the Orange grove… episode #421!

[Nikitas]

Shah said:

"thousands and thousands of witnesses "

And any of these witnesses tell of any TC being harmed before July 20th? Where are they, bring them on so we can hear their testimony. You are one humingous bullshitter. Even Ecevit in his rantings prior to the invasion talked of "potential" trouble, never of any actual clashes between GCs and TCs.

You are obviously not old enough to remember those days. Those of us who are old enough do not need to rely on reports. The lists of missing persons the TC side supplied to the UN speak volumes. From 1963 till 1974 there are 650 people registered. So where are these myriads of victims from July 1974 that you are talking about.

You have used Maratha and Sandalaris time and again as the rallying cause. But before and during these massacres your brave TMT was executing people in Palekythro, Afania, Mia Milia. And your "best in Nato" army went on a rampage weeks after the hostilities had enxded. Read the Sunday Times insight reports from September 1974, titled "somethint terrible has been happening here" about the massacres of enclaved civlians in Karpasia.

And till then do us all a favor.......