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[paliometoxo]

yes thats my main concern all my pc progs not working like nod 32 and other things.....

i use iphone and itunes and i like safari i have that on my windows machine

I use Nod 32, where does it not work?

on mac os x? i dont know but programs i use like that like audi converters and youtube video downloader and msn and skype and irc and so many i am sure wont work with os x... tune up utilities and so on..

[Sega]

LEST WE, the older generation of IT professionals FORGET!

You have to understand that I do know the history of Apple, and I can see things and judge things in proportions. Apple are the leading marketing company for mp3 players and mobile phones. I do know the history of Apple, and when Apple was struggling it was mainly because Apple CEO Steve was sacked, they later asked him to come back to save the company.

As many can agree, your age is only as good as your experience, I first starting using a mac when I was 16, and I owned several computers and operating systems. This is hardly a competition, but stating your age means nothing. I was born in the era of computing. I take tips daily about the web world from people younger than me and I am greatful they know something I don't. This is the main reason I progress in my field. I suggest you do the same before you find yourself outdated, as the only thing you will be able to state is that you are the "older generation" as your reasoning behind proving a point.

[Get Real!]

LEST WE, the older generation of IT professionals FORGET!

You have to understand that I do know the history of Apple, and I can see things and judge things in proportions. Apple are the leading marketing company for mp3 players and mobile phones. I do know the history of Apple, and when Apple was struggling it was mainly because Apple CEO Steve was sacked, they later asked him to come back to save the company.

As many can agree, your age is only as good as your experience, I first starting using a mac when I was 16, and I owned several computers and operating systems. This is hardly a competition, but stating your age means nothing. I was born in the era of computing. I take tips daily about the web world from people younger than me and I am greatful they know something I don't. This is the main reason I progress in my field. I suggest you do the same before you find yourself outdated, as the only thing you will be able to state is that you are the "older generation" as your reasoning behind proving a point.

I don’t think so as mp3 players, mobile phones, and anything “Apple” have nothing to do with my source of income and probably never will.

[shahmaran]

Apple are brilliant at marketing their product,...

Apple have been struggling ever since I can remember and there’s a very good reason why…

In fact I recall at least one occasion when Microsoft had to prop them up with funds so they wouldn’t go under so as Windows doesn’t appear to be a monopoly!

Today, we have all these youngsters telling us that Apple is this and Apple is that, clueless of Apples sheer greed which began life with a closed architecture suing anyone and everyone who ever attempted to manufacture a 3rd party product (software or hardware) for it because Apple thought they were hot shit!

IBM however, were smart and friendly enough to welcome other people making a profit from their invention and assisted the popularity of the personal computer with their open architecture. They would always release their opcode instruction sets of every one of their processors into public domain so that 3rd party programmers and hardware manufacturers could make IBM computers do wonderful things.

The global computer industry is where it is today because of the efforts of IBM and Microsoft and certainly NOT because of a bunch of greedy arseholes that were running Apple… they’re lucky to even have a job!

LEST WE, the older generation of IT professionals FORGET!

Yeah I remember when I was rummaging through DOS codes, Mac's were doing everything Windows had been trying to do ever since.

Microsoft giant has still yet to develop 1, just 1 OS that can remotely come close to OS X.

And I am saying this as a PC nerd who has only had a Mac for the past year!

Face it, Microsoft is the Mc Donalds of the computer industry, it's cheap, it's edible, it gets the job done, but it tastes like absolute shite and it definately ruins your health in the long run.

[shahmaran]

Also OS X on its own does not cost that much its 130 dollars, maybe you can install it on cheaper gear that runs on Intel, but I am not sure how well that would work.

The problem is not the cost, the problem is that they have locked the OS X to Apple computers. In fact Apple have been doing much of these anti-competitive runs, which can be seen in the iPhone and Apple Macintosh in general.

Apple are brilliant at marketing their product, but their products, sometimes use old technology and go for design rather than usability and cutting edge. Take the iPods, nothing new there, they just remarketing an old product. The first spinning hard disc mp3 player was the Archos player. The sound quality for the iPod is not the best, the best is the iRiver. Let's not go into the practicality of the Apple AirBook, or how iPhone and the AirBook lock their batteries in the device.

So where does Apple fit into all this. They know how to market their product.

With your comment about gaming laptops being able to compare to a MacBook, you have to understand the true nature of the Operating system, and how it plays a giant role on the performance of a computer/laptop. If you were to get a mid-scale laptop, install Linux, then it would work just as well as a MacBook in performance. How is it the software products like Adobe and Macromedia run better on Apples, is it because Apple have superior hardware, nope, as they now use Intel similar to PC's, but it's down to their OS, and a Linux has just the same, if not better stability than a OS X. So buy a decent laptop, I prefer either going for Toshiba or Sony, which is fairly lightweight and install a Linux on it.

Understanding that all an Apple is is a well marketing laptop, alongside with a computer locked Operating system, you might be inclined to do as mentioned above. A top end laptop does not cost more than an Apple. My Apple cost me around 1,600 GBP, because I am in England. I went to a main computer store last week and sore a similar spec but Toshiba for 600 GBP. I must stress, laptops have to be good build quality, and Apple have certainly hit this on the mark.

PS: I was not familiar with the Snow update, thanks for telling me.

Sega, I totally agree but I still think it is wrong to compare open source stuff with commercial stuff, they are on different leagues.

Having a cheap laptop running Linux is a good idea but functionality wise it is very limited in more specific areas.

As a sound designer, there is absolutely nothing I can do with Linux, nothing that can match the standards of the tools I have today by combining both OS X and Windows anyways.

This is just one example.

Unfortunately that is just the bitter reality of the Linux utopia.

But of course stability wise Linux superiority is probably unmatched.

I mean the Hadron Collider apparently runs on Linux, what better marketing than that!!

[shahmaran]

yes thats my main concern all my pc progs not working like nod 32 and other things.....

i use iphone and itunes and i like safari i have that on my windows machine

I use Nod 32, where does it not work?

on mac os x? i dont know but programs i use like that like audi converters and youtube video downloader and msn and skype and irc and so many i am sure wont work with os x... tune up utilities and so on..

Don't really need anti-virus on OS X.

Apart from the Messenger Live, I am certain everything else has an OS X equivalent.

MSN you can have but the Mac version cheeky Microsoft releases does not have all the features as the latest PC one, stuff like offline messaging and video chat does not exist.

[Sega]

@shahmaran

Yep. I agree with yourself. Linux for a basic user is fine, but most user's are basic. I am a multimedia designer and I must say that even a MAC is probably limited for me and this is why I mostly use a PC.

However saying this, a laptop is just a laptop, you are hardly going to play games on it, and you are not exactly going to use it to design stuff, well I am not. At most I will use a laptop to display to my clients sample of my work, images, and sites I have worked on. I might use word processing, which I do, and listen to music. Anything intense is done on my main computer.

I suppose if you knew Linux well you could probably install anything on it. I know there is a large community out there willing to help. I even herd people putting Adobe products on. The homebrew market for Linux is growing, so you can probably put anything on it, it just might take longer.

There is also a PC emulator for Linux, but I am unaware how good this is. I have a friend, he tells me he can play PC games on his Linux, using this emulator. I am slightly weary of the homebrew area. I had a GP32 and it worked mainly on homebrew, sometimes there was bugs and most of the emulators ran either slowly or with bad sound quality. I know there is a commercial PC emulator for Linux, it's been criticized by others for not being free, but because of this it would probably more secure than the free emulators, I am only guessing.

I mean the Hadron Collider apparently runs on Linux, what better marketing than that!! Very Happy

I had to wiki that Linux is likely to get marketing once GoogleOS is made public, but that is not planned till 2010. I guess we will have to wait. You can see what it looks like, http://tinyurl.com/lu9xq3

Microsoft is planning to release an operating system like this http://tinyurl.com/kkf5bz so, as you can see, Microsoft has a lot to fight for. Sun Microsystems have already developed this, http://tinyurl.com/5czdyt another free OS.

I do believe Open Source is in a different league to commercial, a better league. I love open source software, they make my job easier as I can pass them down to clients for free! But when something goes mainstream it often looses some of that specialty about it. I use an open source editor and I would recommend open source to anybody out there, because it great.

You certainly know your stuff. You are an asset to the community, and I prefer to speak to people who know there stuff, like yourself, with logic and practicality behind their conversations.

Don't really need anti-virus on OS X.

Do I have an antivirus on my MAC? Nope.
Will I put one on? Nope
I do this at my own risk, but there are viruses out there designed for MACS.

[Pambs]

new technology is better technology. and dont believe that thin that xp is better than vista. what sort of pc do you have, give us the specs and i will tell you

I have a quad opteron with 4gb ram and 500mb video and around 1tb of disk space, trust me I know Windows like the back of my hand and I see Vista as the equivalent of Windows ME which was a piece of crap that they used to make money with before releasing XP. Was ME better than 98? No it was not, but it was newer. I am sure Windows 7 will be much better than Vista but Vista was no way near better than XP. In fact Vista was a very shitty copy of OS X that did not work.

There is a world of difference between having to tweak your machine to the level of insanity in order to remotely have a stable system and to just whip out your Macbook from its box and voila, its working like a clock, a super fast clock as well.

i'm using vista 64 with an i7 proc, 6gb ram and more than 2 tb hd. i never encoutered an issue while i used to had more in xp. what exactly is your issue with vista?

actually 7 have a lot of things in common but they are more lite

[cyprusgrump]

new technology is better technology. and dont believe that thin that xp is better than vista. what sort of pc do you have, give us the specs and i will tell you

I have a quad opteron with 4gb ram and 500mb video and around 1tb of disk space, trust me I know Windows like the back of my hand and I see Vista as the equivalent of Windows ME which was a piece of crap that they used to make money with before releasing XP. Was ME better than 98? No it was not, but it was newer. I am sure Windows 7 will be much better than Vista but Vista was no way near better than XP. In fact Vista was a very shitty copy of OS X that did not work.

There is a world of difference between having to tweak your machine to the level of insanity in order to remotely have a stable system and to just whip out your Macbook from its box and voila, its working like a clock, a super fast clock as well.

i'm using vista 64 with an i7 proc, 6gb ram and more than 2 tb hd. i never encoutered an issue while i used to had more in xp. what exactly is your issue with vista?

actually 7 have a lot of things in common but they are more lite

For me, the issue is that you shouldn't need an i7 and 6Gbytes RAM to run software that used to run perfectly well on a 800MHz P3!

[shahmaran]

Well that would be the main issue

Plus the OS X feature rip offs that don't really work, and the problems with software compatibility, it all just works great...