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[wyoming cowboy]

What were we expecting a Turk to live by the rule of law when we signed the Zurich agreements, Naively we did. what a huge mistake on our GC part. As soon as the grass was greener on the other side of the fence the Turks began the destruction of the Republic.

So it was alright for 400 years, and then when Democracy loomed, you decided to spoil everything ....

Sorry, we must have missed that part about "democracy arriving" as I'm sure no one expected it to come in the form of "lets just execute them all and dump them in a fucking hole".

So it's (imagined) fear of "mass executions" which drove you all insane, and not the 'one-man-one-vote' novelty?

So 3 whole villages with no arms or fighters found buried under ground is "imagined" but you want democracy and equality?

Hmm I really do try to see it Oracle, I really do.

"one-man-one-vote" = Racist Greek domination = Enosis

Now, why would we want such a thing?

You should push your sinister "democratic" shite in a country where people do actually like each other and not on an island where the GC population have been trying to make all minorities magically "disappear" for centuries.

How many hundreds of GC villages had the Turks destroyed and how many thousands of GCs had the Turks massacred before you had some losses after the Turkish invasion?

What were you expecting, a medal?

[wyoming cowboy]

The major problems of Kosovo started during the Nazi invasion and occupation of Yugoslavia..The muslims sided with the Nazis, while the Serbs resisted the Nazis..Due to Kosovo having enormous amounts of natural resources, the Nazis with the muslim population began to cleanse the areas of Kosovo of ethnic serbs...If you want to compare Turkey to Nazi Germany and the Tc as the muslim minority eager to get whats not theirs, then you can compare Cyprus to Kosovo.

You don't wanna upset your Orthodox brothers or you are afraid the case is sooooooooo similar to that of KKTC?

Kosovo and the “TRNC” similar? Only in the minds of some Turkish Cypriots… and I mean ONLY because not even Turkey sees any similarity!

How is it not similar GR, I am curious?

The Kosovans OWN that land and have been living on it for millenniums. Nobody disputes its ownership and there are no UN resolutions condemning them from occupying it!

In the case of Kosovo it becomes a matter of self-determination. Now compare all that with the “TRNC”…

[Piratis]

Stop pasting the same shit Piratis, I have read it a lot of times don't worry, enough times to stop giving a shit about your relentless aim to spread your crap like god dam swine flu.

All you do is bend facts in order to establish the Piratis history as basis to back your racist views, this is nothing new.

I have answered this crap many times but you being the tosser that you are, you just don't mind coming back with the same old shit, and lets not forget that shitty video as well, oh god please don't forget that god dam video!!

I knew you were a delusional cyber clown to think that anyone could actually loose arguments against your lies, but that is the problem with delusional people, they just keep making things up that are not there yet they are not aware of it, kind of like your history and your facts, along with people "loosing arguments" against your hallucinations

Of course I win the arguments because I present facts. I don't waste my time writing crap and personal attacks, like you do.

Anyway so lets see what you got;

You, with your "report", are claiming that the number of the TC's on the island kept its usual annual growth rate which was 0.8% per year and that the TC population of around 103,822 in 1960, had only increased to 116,000 by 1973.

I have looked it up and the average growth rate for an average country is roughly around 2.20% per year, as opposed to 0.8%!!

So the problem is that while the unusually low growth rate was increasing the population by only 10,000 people in 10 years, (equaling to about 1000 babies per year (!!!)), there was a huge population of TC's building up in places such as Britain and Australia. Obviously these people must have suddenly appeared out of no where yet they have probably quadrupled the total number on the island.

10's of thousands of people had started to immigrate as early as the 50's, yet you are using this shitty and dubious document that only reflects between the 60's and the 70's to prove that they have increased in numbers while many were evacuating?

Unfortunately you can't even read. I will post it for you again:
"According to the censuses which took place in Cyprus before the factual partition of the island, the Greek Cypriot community amounted to 447,901 (78,2%) in 1960, and to 498,511 (78,9%) in 1973. The Turkish Cypriot community numbered 103,822 (18,1%) people in 1960, and 116 000 (18,4%) in 1973. The total population of Cyprus was 572,707 in 1960 and 631,778 in 1973 (see Appendix 3, Table 1). An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable."

The 0.8% increase in population was for both communities. Or did you maybe miss that "detail", as always selectively choosing what you like, and distorting in this way the historical facts.

Cyprus was a poor country and many Cypriots emigrated for a better life abroad. This was the reason of the relatively low population growth.

So you with your "ever so factual and true" argumentative bullshit, are trying to claim what exactly?

That life was OK here up until Turkey came?

That the TC's were not fed up with loosing their jobs, homes and security while facing GC violence?

That the GC's along with the help of Makarios, were not on a long term mission to cleanse the island from TC's?

That the TC's did not have enough excuses to require help from Turkey?

What is it that you are bitching about?

What the factual and true arguments and numbers prove is that you were lying when you said that the TCs were "starving to death" or that they were forced by the GCs to leave from Cyprus. The population growth for both communities was the same. So there was no "starvation to death", or GCs forcing TCs to move abroad or any of the other lame excuses that you say.

What Cypriots (all apart the TCs) always wanted is freedom and democracy. Our enemies were only the foreign Imperialists, not any minority. It is the TCs who collaborated with those foreign rulers and started the conflict with the aim to impose their will by force and have gains on the expense of every other Cypriot, and in this way they choose became the enemy of the rest of Cypriots. The conflict you started created many problems to us, and it obviously created problems to you. How else did you imagine it when you started the conflict? That you can kill us, impose on us your will by force, and suffer no casualties or problems yourselves? Of course it could not be that way. If you want to blame somebody for the problems caused by the conflict, then the first ones you should blame is yourselves for starting it.

Here are more points from your neutral "document" that you have spent so much time researching in order to back up your hallucinations, it is for you to think about in your sleep, it explains how they went about collecting the data you so deeply rely on;

During the preparation for the first visit it was planned that the Rapporteur would also meet the political leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community. Unfortunately, this part of the visit was cancelled by the hosts at very short notice due to a religious holiday which lasted the whole week.

The political leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community have strongly insisted on the modification of the title of the report, which in its present form, in their opinion, does not reflect necessary neutrality.

It should be noted that demographic data, particularly as far as the northern part of the island is concerned, is scarce, not always reliable and subject to controversy given the fact that it represents a particularly sensitive issue in Cyprus. Given the differences (sometimes considerable) in certain data and evaluations, the Rapporteur always quotes the source of his information throughout the whole report.

The document is factually correct, and made by the Council of Europe. I never said it was accepted by the occupation regime. Of course it wouldn't. It said truths that they didn't like.

Honestly speaking Piratis, I am for democracy and human rights as you are, but I just don't give a toss about YOUR democracy, I have no wish to be a part of it either.

What is "my democracy" you refer to? The democracy I support is no different from democracy in France or Italy or Germany or even Turkey!

Probably what you want to say is that you support democracy and human rights as long as they are applied in other countries. But when it comes to Cyprus you instead want to impose your will undemocratically by force, and violate the human rights of others as you see fit.

Is that OK with you Sir?

Not at all OK. Racists like you violate my democratic and human rights and I will continue to fight you until justice is served.

Am I entitled to my country as much as you are to yours?

Do we HAVE to do it together?

My country is Cyprus, the whole of it. If you don't want to be in the same country as I am you are free to leave. But you are not free to take away from me even an inch from my country. If you don't like it that we in the same country, then blame your ancestors for invading Cyprus and creating a Turkish minority on our island. Don't blame me.

Why can the GC's be independent from any other nation with their illegal state, when we have to choose to be under Turkey or the GC's on our OWN COUNTRY?

Does that make sense to you? Does not to me!

It will make a lot of sense when you see the reality and stop having illusions. The reality is that Republic of Cyprus is not illegal at all, while the pseudo state you declared is not only illegal, but it is in fact created on territory which is the homeland of 5 times more GCs than TCs.

What doesn't make any sense is to have a Turkish state on land where the vast majority of the population are actually Greek Cypriots. So it is time for you to get some common sense, and realize that you can't have a separate state by ethnically cleansing the majority of the population and replacing them with foreign settlers.

[shahmaran]

What the hell are you stupid or what?

The TC authorities were never reached and all the "factual" and numerical data of the research comes purely from the GC's.

They go even further to openly say that the numbers are NOT entirely correct, ESPECIALLY ONES OF THE TC'S!!

You are going out of your way to prove your delusions Piratis, what the hell can you win with crooked and bias data?

The fact that you can never find neutral and solid facts to back your shitty theory as opposed to your collection of bias information and websites?

Or the fact that you read whatever you want from everything, including our history and this crappy research?

Give it up Piratis, you have FUCKED UP big time, come back when you actually have real information and not this propaganda junk.

[runaway]

You don't wanna upset your Orthodox brothers or you are afraid the case is sooooooooo similar to that of KKTC?

Kosovo and the “TRNC” similar? Only in the minds of some Turkish Cypriots… and I mean ONLY because not even Turkey sees any similarity!

How is it not similar GR, I am curious?

The Kosovans OWN that land and have been living on it for millenniums. Nobody disputes its ownership :

Wrong! You are in contradiction with your Serbian brothers. They claim Albanians were placed to Kosovo by Tito and that Kosovo was only Serbian land for milleniums. And the idea is backed by Greece and south cyprus. This is exactly the same you claim for TCs. Now shall we believe credible big-4 EU countries or uncredible Orthodox brotherhood?

[shahmaran]

Let's not also forget that this "credible" big 4 are the same people who took it up on themselves to draw other peoples borders for centuries while robbing them from their knickers, and are continuing to do so today along with the US in the Middle East.

Greece has been their bum-chums for ever and to think that the GC's would have got a different treatment, would be pretty stupid for any thinking person who remotely knows the slightest bit about history.

So I find it ridiculous when GC's totally rely on what their other fellow Christian's in their Christian club think or accept about the situation on this island.

Well no shit Sherlock, tell us something we don't know!

[humanist]

TURKISH TROOPS OUT OF CYPRUS NOW .......

[Nikitas]

Obviously why you lot empathize with Kossovars. Like the TRNC Kossovo is a den of contraband, organized crime, money laundering. To borrow a phrase from Sener Levent "the land of the pazevenghi" where everything is for sale.