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[kurupetos]

Well actually Piratis, the Maronites are still alive and kicking, living on the outskirts of Omorfo practicing their own religion while thanking whatever God they believe in that they don't have to deal with another racist GC ever again.

You should come and talk to them and tell them about your imaginary history, maybe they can tell you to go fuck yourself as you should have done long ago.

Do you see why I think you are a relentless lying bastard and why I have 0 respect for you?

Probably not, but still worth a shot...

Next thing you will tell us that you didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots either because they are a few 100s still living in the occupied areas.

The Maronites, like all other real Cypriots, want their island liberated from Turkish troops. This includes those few who choose to live in their villages in the occupied areas of Cyprus.

In fact, in the referendum of 1960 NONE of the 1046 Maronites voted for the Maronites to side with the TCs. At least you got 5 (out of 1077) Armenians, and 1 (out of 322) Latin
http://www.hayem.org/1960-referendum/

As always you are so upset that your propaganda is shot down so easily by me with the facts I give that you resort to personal attacks and foul language, since you are unable to say anything else.

I wonder what would have been the result if the TCs also voted.

It may sound crazy, but I reckon many TCs would have voted to belong to the GC community.

Yeah it really does Kurupetos.

I can totally picture my uncle who's house is burning down before him and my entire family who is either hiding in the fields or has been already captured, making a run for the "freedom" of the Greek side.

I am sure our family friend would have loved a little house in the South if only he hadn't been captured and shot.

Many TCs voted for enosis with Greece in the 1950 referendum. What does that tell you?

[Piratis]

Well actually Piratis, the Maronites are still alive and kicking, living on the outskirts of Omorfo practicing their own religion while thanking whatever God they believe in that they don't have to deal with another racist GC ever again.

You should come and talk to them and tell them about your imaginary history, maybe they can tell you to go fuck yourself as you should have done long ago.

Do you see why I think you are a relentless lying bastard and why I have 0 respect for you?

Probably not, but still worth a shot...

Next thing you will tell us that you didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots either because they are a few 100s still living in the occupied areas.

The Maronites, like all other real Cypriots, want their island liberated from Turkish troops. This includes those few who choose to live in their villages in the occupied areas of Cyprus.

In fact, in the referendum of 1960 NONE of the 1046 Maronites voted for the Maronites to side with the TCs. At least you got 5 (out of 1077) Armenians, and 1 (out of 322) Latin
http://www.hayem.org/1960-referendum/

As always you are so upset that your propaganda is shot down so easily by me with the facts I give that you resort to personal attacks and foul language, since you are unable to say anything else.

Calling this a "shot down" would be even more delusional than your history Piratis.

I do love your collection of bias propaganda sites backed by the ever so neutral Armenian's, I really do, but don't you think it is hard for 0 Maronite's to make up a whole village? Very nice village too I must say.

You should post a few more crappy videos and call it a night Piratis, unless of course you are being paid overtime..

When the Maronites voted in the referendum every single one of them choose to side with the Greek Cypriots. When you illegally occupied their villages you gave them no choice. Those who stayed did so because they wanted to live in their villages, not because they liked you or because they approve of the illegal Turkish occupation. Still most of them became refugees like most GCs. In fact there are some 100s of GCs that live in the occupied areas as well. They used to be some 1000s some years ago, but you did everything possible in order to force them out.

Even if you look the Annan plan map (here is one in Turkish: http://www.cypriot.org.uk/Documents/Ann ... harita.gif) you can see that Kormakitis was going to be returned as an enclave. If the Maronites really hated the GCs as you say, why would they want their village liberated? They could stay under TC admin, and some other part of Cyprus could be returned instead.

[shahmaran]

Oh save your crap Piratis.

What is the point of me arguing points within an imaginary-Piratis-fabricated history?

Which point do you dispute?

The British made documentary that shows that you are the ones who started the intercommunal conflict in the 50s?

The fact that in 1974 no TC was killed until after the Turks and TCs attacked the GCs and started to kill GCs by the 1000s? The invasion was on the 20th of Jly of 1974. When are those massacres you are talking about? Can you post their dates?

The fact that in the wars and conflicts that the Turks/TCs started against us we had far more casualties than you did?

The fact that you today are looking for excuses to continue committing illegalities against Cyprus?

Everything, the 100% of what I said is 100% correct, and you are obviously unable to refute it.

Number of causalties does not change the motive, nor it means anything regarding the root of the problem.

But let me get this straight Piratis; the Ottoman's come invading, you are given your rights for the first time, your church is given power and you are allowed to actually OWN something while exercising your own laws, you DONT have to become a Muslim (that's utter bullshit), you just pay more taxes as a Christian and in return you pansies don't have to fight in the army and fully exploit the security the Ottoman's bring (considering you have been fucked for as far as history can be written, by anyone who swam passed the freaking island), but you still HATE the Turks for it, HATE their existence on the island and have despised them for 500 years waiting for the chance to get rid of every single one of them, yet the Turks start the "war", I am sorry what were we fighting against?

That really DOES make sense Piratis, I see where you come from now...

You can excuse them all you want, but the fact is that the Ottoman rule was brutal, 10s of thousands of Cypriots were killed just in the first days of the invasion, and during the 3+ centuries of Ottoman rule the Cypriots were treated as second category people and our population instead of tripling was actually reduced!

But the problem is not the crimes that you committed against us in the past. The problem is that you never stopped committing crimes against us. You continue with them today and you are trying to find excuses to continue committing crimes against us in the future!

It is your effort to find excuses for continuing with the crimes against us which takes us back in the past. Isn't it you who went back 6 decades a moment ago trying to put the blame on us? Maybe you want me to just accept the distorted and extremely selective history you are trying to present without replying with the true facts? Because this is all I am doing: Correcting the historical lies that you are trying to pass.

Personally I have no need to discuss the past and what happened decades or centuries ago. What we have today is an illegal occupation of 1/3rd of my island by Turkey, and I don't need to discuss any former era in order to prove this. It is you who is looking into the past trying to find excuses for the illegalities that you insist on committing today.

It is funny you say that Piratis, since it is you who is always the first one to jump in with your shitty videos and propaganda sites, basing your whole argument ENTIRELY on the past and on a VERY selective and distorted-according-to-need version of the past as well, yet here you are claiming that you don't need to talk about the past?

What the hell is wrong with you?

I have been on this forum for a couple of years now and I can definitely say that everything you say is only based up on the past and that how the Ottoman actions are the root of ALL evil we experience today.

Well let me tell you one thing my friend, people who have lived through the dark days of the island are still alive today and if you truly believe that the Turk's have started EVERYTHING regarding the Cyprus problem (and I know you absolutely do so) then you are either interpreting history as you wish or you are truly sick in the head.

Most GC's I know who I definitely do not agree with on so many levels, also agree that they have done a lot of wrong in the past and are equally to blame.

This small fact alone, is enough to crumble everything you babble on about here all day and all night, totally proving you wrong and absolutely ruining your persistent stance about how we are the blame for everything.

How can you expect one to take you seriously?

Specially when you openly and repeatedly insist that your version of "history" is absolutely true?

What are you on Piratis?!

[shahmaran]

Well actually Piratis, the Maronites are still alive and kicking, living on the outskirts of Omorfo practicing their own religion while thanking whatever God they believe in that they don't have to deal with another racist GC ever again.

You should come and talk to them and tell them about your imaginary history, maybe they can tell you to go fuck yourself as you should have done long ago.

Do you see why I think you are a relentless lying bastard and why I have 0 respect for you?

Probably not, but still worth a shot...

Next thing you will tell us that you didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots either because they are a few 100s still living in the occupied areas.

The Maronites, like all other real Cypriots, want their island liberated from Turkish troops. This includes those few who choose to live in their villages in the occupied areas of Cyprus.

In fact, in the referendum of 1960 NONE of the 1046 Maronites voted for the Maronites to side with the TCs. At least you got 5 (out of 1077) Armenians, and 1 (out of 322) Latin
http://www.hayem.org/1960-referendum/

As always you are so upset that your propaganda is shot down so easily by me with the facts I give that you resort to personal attacks and foul language, since you are unable to say anything else.

Calling this a "shot down" would be even more delusional than your history Piratis.

I do love your collection of bias propaganda sites backed by the ever so neutral Armenian's, I really do, but don't you think it is hard for 0 Maronite's to make up a whole village? Very nice village too I must say.

You should post a few more crappy videos and call it a night Piratis, unless of course you are being paid overtime..

When the Maronites voted in the referendum every single one of them choose to side with the Greek Cypriots. When you illegally occupied their villages you gave them no choice. Those who stayed did so because they wanted to live in their villages, not because they liked you or because they approve of the illegal Turkish occupation. Still most of them became refugees like most GCs. In fact there are some 100s of GCs that live in the occupied areas as well. They used to be some 1000s some years ago, but you did everything possible in order to force them out.

Even if you look the Annan plan map (here is one in Turkish: http://www.cypriot.org.uk/Documents/Ann ... harita.gif) you can see that Kormakitis was going to be returned as an enclave. If the Maronites really hated the GCs as you say, why would they want their village liberated? They could stay under TC admin, and some other part of Cyprus could be returned instead.

People did not start fleeing the island during the invasion Piratis, people were already going 20 years before the invasion.

20!!

Was that the evil Turk's as well?

Had the TC's suddenly decided to kick themselves out maybe?

Plus it is you who insists for the Morphou area, how is that relevant to what the Maronite's may or may not want?

[Piratis]

Oh save your crap Piratis.

What is the point of me arguing points within an imaginary-Piratis-fabricated history?

Which point do you dispute?

The British made documentary that shows that you are the ones who started the intercommunal conflict in the 50s?

The fact that in 1974 no TC was killed until after the Turks and TCs attacked the GCs and started to kill GCs by the 1000s? The invasion was on the 20th of Jly of 1974. When are those massacres you are talking about? Can you post their dates?

The fact that in the wars and conflicts that the Turks/TCs started against us we had far more casualties than you did?

The fact that you today are looking for excuses to continue committing illegalities against Cyprus?

Everything, the 100% of what I said is 100% correct, and you are obviously unable to refute it.

Number of causalties does not change the motive, nor it means anything regarding the root of the problem.

But let me get this straight Piratis; the Ottoman's come invading, you are given your rights for the first time, your church is given power and you are allowed to actually OWN something while exercising your own laws, you DONT have to become a Muslim (that's utter bullshit), you just pay more taxes as a Christian and in return you pansies don't have to fight in the army and fully exploit the security the Ottoman's bring (considering you have been fucked for as far as history can be written, by anyone who swam passed the freaking island), but you still HATE the Turks for it, HATE their existence on the island and have despised them for 500 years waiting for the chance to get rid of every single one of them, yet the Turks start the "war", I am sorry what were we fighting against?

That really DOES make sense Piratis, I see where you come from now...

You can excuse them all you want, but the fact is that the Ottoman rule was brutal, 10s of thousands of Cypriots were killed just in the first days of the invasion, and during the 3+ centuries of Ottoman rule the Cypriots were treated as second category people and our population instead of tripling was actually reduced!

But the problem is not the crimes that you committed against us in the past. The problem is that you never stopped committing crimes against us. You continue with them today and you are trying to find excuses to continue committing crimes against us in the future!

It is your effort to find excuses for continuing with the crimes against us which takes us back in the past. Isn't it you who went back 6 decades a moment ago trying to put the blame on us? Maybe you want me to just accept the distorted and extremely selective history you are trying to present without replying with the true facts? Because this is all I am doing: Correcting the historical lies that you are trying to pass.

Personally I have no need to discuss the past and what happened decades or centuries ago. What we have today is an illegal occupation of 1/3rd of my island by Turkey, and I don't need to discuss any former era in order to prove this. It is you who is looking into the past trying to find excuses for the illegalities that you insist on committing today.

It is funny you say that Piratis, since it is you who is always the first one to jump in with your shitty videos and propaganda sites, basing your whole argument ENTIRELY on the past and on a VERY selective and distorted-according-to-need version of the past as well, yet here you are claiming that you don't need to talk about the past?

What the hell is wrong with you?

I have been on this forum for a couple of years now and I can definitely say that everything you say is only based up on the past and that how the Ottoman actions are the root of ALL evil we experience today.

Well let me tell you one thing my friend, people who have lived through the dark days of the island are still alive today and if you truly believe that the Turk's have started EVERYTHING regarding the Cyprus problem (and I know you absolutely do so) then you are either interpreting history as you wish or you are truly sick in the head.

Most GC's I know who I definitely do not agree with on so many levels, also agree that they have done a lot of wrong in the past and are equally to blame.

This small fact alone, is enough to crumble everything you babble on about here all day and all night, totally proving you wrong and absolutely ruining your persistent stance about how we are the blame for everything.

How can you expect one to take you seriously?

Specially when you openly and repeatedly insist that your version of "history" is absolutely true?

What are you on Piratis?!

Why would I need to talk about the past? Republic of Cyprus is the one and only recognized state on the island, while the Turkish occupation and the pseudo state you declared on the part of Cyprus you stole are illegal.

This is the reality today and I don't need to go to the past in order to show this undisputed fact. I have no problem to discuss only the future based on the undisputed facts that exist today. Can you do this as well?

Apparently you can't. So in order to excuse the crimes and illegalities that you commit today, you are going back decades in the past and distort our history saying lies. The ony thing I do then is to correct your lies and present the true facts.

And because you are unable to refute the facts that I give, and your lies and excuses do not pass, you get upset.

I never claimed that Greek Cypriots never made any mistakes or crimes. My argument, which you are unable to refute is this:

Fact 1: The inter communal conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. People from both sides died during that conflict.

Fact 2: The 1974 war was started by the Turks and TCs. In 1974 no TC was killed until after the Turks with the assistance of TCs invaded Cyprus and started to kill Cypriots by the 1000s. In that war started by you some 100s of TCs died as well.

Therefore: Yes you had losses as well. I never said anything to the contrary. I never said that we are angels and that you never suffered or had casualties. But it is a historical fact that it is you who started the wars and conflicts and therefore you are not excused today to demand that you have gains on our expense, as if we are the guilty ones who have to be punished and you the innocent ones who need to be rewarded.

I don't know which GCs said that we are "equally to blame" (facts, which you were unable to refute, prove otherwise), but even if we imagine such thing as being true, it still can not justify your demands to have gains on our expense. if we are both equally to blame then how come and you should end up with more (land, power etc) and we with less, than what each of us had before the problem started?

The situation is clear: Turkey has the military power, it has the backing of the UK and the USA, and it uses the TC minority on our island (by bribing them with land and power stolen from us), as means to divide our island, and continue its military presence and control over Cyprus which they believe is of strategic importance to them.

[Piratis]

Well actually Piratis, the Maronites are still alive and kicking, living on the outskirts of Omorfo practicing their own religion while thanking whatever God they believe in that they don't have to deal with another racist GC ever again.

You should come and talk to them and tell them about your imaginary history, maybe they can tell you to go fuck yourself as you should have done long ago.

Do you see why I think you are a relentless lying bastard and why I have 0 respect for you?

Probably not, but still worth a shot...

Next thing you will tell us that you didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots either because they are a few 100s still living in the occupied areas.

The Maronites, like all other real Cypriots, want their island liberated from Turkish troops. This includes those few who choose to live in their villages in the occupied areas of Cyprus.

In fact, in the referendum of 1960 NONE of the 1046 Maronites voted for the Maronites to side with the TCs. At least you got 5 (out of 1077) Armenians, and 1 (out of 322) Latin
http://www.hayem.org/1960-referendum/

As always you are so upset that your propaganda is shot down so easily by me with the facts I give that you resort to personal attacks and foul language, since you are unable to say anything else.

Calling this a "shot down" would be even more delusional than your history Piratis.

I do love your collection of bias propaganda sites backed by the ever so neutral Armenian's, I really do, but don't you think it is hard for 0 Maronite's to make up a whole village? Very nice village too I must say.

You should post a few more crappy videos and call it a night Piratis, unless of course you are being paid overtime..

When the Maronites voted in the referendum every single one of them choose to side with the Greek Cypriots. When you illegally occupied their villages you gave them no choice. Those who stayed did so because they wanted to live in their villages, not because they liked you or because they approve of the illegal Turkish occupation. Still most of them became refugees like most GCs. In fact there are some 100s of GCs that live in the occupied areas as well. They used to be some 1000s some years ago, but you did everything possible in order to force them out.

Even if you look the Annan plan map (here is one in Turkish: http://www.cypriot.org.uk/Documents/Ann ... harita.gif) you can see that Kormakitis was going to be returned as an enclave. If the Maronites really hated the GCs as you say, why would they want their village liberated? They could stay under TC admin, and some other part of Cyprus could be returned instead.

People did not start fleeing the island during the invasion Piratis, people were already going 20 years before the invasion.

20!!

Was that the evil Turk's as well?

Had the TC's suddenly decided to kick themselves out maybe?

20 years before 1974 was 1954. The reason people were fleeing Cyprus then was poverty, and this was equal for all Cypriots, not just TCs.

If you are referring to the inter-communal conflict (which was less than 20 years earlier) then I will just remind you that the conflict was started by you (watch that video again), and that it was not just you who were fleeing. GCs fled as well from the mostly TC villages, and you even removed the Armenian Cypriots from their sector of Nicosia!

Again, I point out that you are trying to distort history trying in this way to excuse the illegal occupation of our country today. All I do is to show the true facts.

Plus it is you who insists for the Morphou area, how is that relevant to what the Maronite's may or may not want?

Kormakitis is an additional enclave which is additional to the part of the Morphou area that would be returned and it belongs almost exclusively to Maronites. There are other exclusively GC villages and if Republic of Cyprus was a "GC Administration" as you call it, then we would of course choose one of those villages to be returned instead. However Republic of Cyprus is the state of all Cypriots, supported by all Cypriots (except the TCs) and strives to serve the interests and protect all its citizens equally. (unlike the "two tier" citizen system which the TCs want to impose by force for their benefit and on the expense of every other Cypriot)

[Gabira]

with the anniversary of the Turkish occupation, killings and rapes enforced by the attacking forces in 1974 ... I shout out loud

Turkish Troops Out of Cyprus

No, the Turkish Peace Operation Army is forever welcome in North Cyprus oxo

Our 'sincerest' apologies de'Humanist for the God Blessed Turkish Armies herioc actions in 1974 to put a stop to the atrocities your G/GC people were carrying out upon ALL TC's ... your feral people were only being polite when they were raping and slaughtering our women and children ... you disgusting people !

The GC 'struggle' for 'independance' does not justify or excuse your peoples actions and greater agendas/intentions to ultimately EXTERMINATE every single TC from the Island.

WHAT A SHAME THAT MEHMETCIK ONLY DID A HALF HEARTED JOB BACK IN 1974 !

[boomerang]

with the anniversary of the Turkish occupation, killings and rapes enforced by the attacking forces in 1974 ... I shout out loud

Turkish Troops Out of Cyprus

No, the Turkish Peace Operation Army is forever welcome in North Cyprus oxo

Our 'sincerest' apologies de'Humanist for the God Blessed Turkish Armies herioc actions in 1974 to put a stop to the atrocities your G/GC people were carrying out upon ALL TC's ... your feral people were only being polite when they were raping and slaughtering our women and children ... you disgusting people !

The GC 'struggle' for 'independance' does not justify or excuse your peoples actions and greater agendas/intentions to ultimately EXTERMINATE every single TC from the Island.

WHAT A SHAME THAT MEHMETCIK ONLY DID A HALF HEARTED JOB BACK IN 1974 !

why moan and groan like a bitch if you are happy with your extinction, huh dickbrain?...

[Piratis]

Yet more lies from another Turkish propagandist.

The exterminations in Cyprus were carried out by the Turks since on several occasions they killed 10s of thousands and 1000s of Cypriots at a time within days or a few weeks. Also the Turks have planed and executed their plan of exterminating every native Cypriot from 1/3rd of Cyprus, killing 1000s, ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands, and replacing them with foreign Turkish settlers.

The Turkish invaders didn't "stop" anybody from being killed. On the contrary they started the war, which resulted in the death of 1000s of Greek Cypriots and a couple of 100 of TCs.

These are the facts. Where did you see the "tc extermination" in your dream? Could your excuses get even more lame than that? Do you actually believe your own lies?

[Gabira]

Yet more lies from another Turkish propagandist.

I wouldn't have expected anything less from the very talented greek propagandist himself with the usual regurgitated dribble

It must upset you so much that the Turkish Army got in just in time to prevent you animals from fulfilling your premature wet dreams...TO EXTERMINATE EVERY SINGLE TC FROM THE ISLAND !