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[Oracle]

...There are plenty of TCs in London who want the troops out. Plenty.

Doubtless there are many TCs who want the troops out. But a large sub-section want the troops out so that they can govern their own state ... and not because they want reunification with the RoC.

Why waste time looking for a needle in a haystack? Besides, any TCs interested in re-unification are already living in the RoC ...

Think how much more powerful that lobbying would be if they did so under one umbrella; which is what the Federation is supposed to be. It's you who's not focused.

Why is Turkey any more likely to listen to a few hundred TCs about removing its troops, when it ignores the thousands of GCs and all International institutions and governments who demand such withdrawal?

Have you seen ANY evidence that Turkey heeds the TCs?

Please be realistic ....

[The Cypriot]

Why waste time looking for a needle in a haystack? Besides, any TCs interested in re-unification are already living in the RoC ...

That's not true. Many of them are already living in London.

Why is Turkey any more likely to listen to a few thousand TCs about removing its troops, when it ignores the millions of GCs

Millions? Oracle, are you actually thinking about what you write, or are you just typing whatever nonsense comes into your head? Why are you being so obtuse? If only GCs lobby for troop removal, Turkey can and does claim that it's a 'Greek'/'Turk' argument. If Cypriots collectively lobby, then its a tiny EU nation campaigning for the removal of foreign occupying troops. And Turkey can no longer use the argument she's been using since 1974.

and all International institutions and governments who demand such withdrawal?

Have you seen ANY evidence that Turkey heeds the TCs?

Please be realistic ....

Oracle. This is not a reason to exclude TCs who want reunification in the National Federation of CYPRIOTS.

[bill cobbett]

...There are plenty of TCs in London who want the troops out. Plenty.

Doubtless there are many TCs who want the troops out. But a large sub-section want the troops out so that they can govern their own state ... and not because they want reunification with the RoC.

Why waste time looking for a needle in a haystack? Besides, any TCs interested in re-unification are already living in the RoC ...

Think how much more powerful that lobbying would be if they did so under one umbrella; which is what the Federation is supposed to be. It's you who's not focused.

Why is Turkey any more likely to listen to a few thousand TCs about removing its troops, when it ignores the millions of GCs and all International institutions and governments who demand such withdrawal?

Have you seen ANY evidence that Turkey heeds the TCs?

Please be realistic ....

Surely it's about reducing the extent of RoT's justification for its continued interference in pursuit of this discunctional state's interests or even eliminating all justification. The more common ground we can find with more and more progresive tissies then there is a chance that a settlement between Cys for CY could be reached.

The big question is what is the common, unifying ground?

[Oracle]

I am not talking about exclusion!

I am just fed up with this attitude that progress has to be slowed down to appease the slow-on-the-uptake TCs who are unsure!

Look at Umit, even now he still says 'why is removal of the troops so important?'

For goodness sakes ... it is of singular and primary importance that the troops must be forced out! Anyone wanting to waste time seeking approval from all and sundry is not focusing on the ONLY route to freedom for Cyprus.

Troops out of Cyprus, NOW!

(P.S. The Cypriot ... you quoted me before I corrected numerical refs).

[The Cypriot]

I am not talking about exclusion!

I am just fed up with this attitude that progress has to be slowed down to appease the slow-on-the-uptake TCs who are unsure!.

In what way is progress slowed? What appeasement?

Look at Umit, even now he still says 'why is removal of the troops so important?'

Then what place has he in the Federation?

For goodness sakes ... it is of singular and primary importance that the troops must be forced out!

Anyone wanting to waste time seeking approval from all and sundry is not focusing on the ONLY route to freedom for Cyprus.

Troops out of Cyprus, NOW!

Great slogan! So, what's your strategy?

[bill cobbett]

It would certainly help if our more progresive tissy members came forward to condemn the Occupation and to do it unconditionally ....

[miltiades]

THE CYPRIOT WROTE :

"" Oracle, are you actually thinking about what you write, or are you just typing whatever nonsense comes into your head? Why are you being so obtuse? If only GCs lobby for troop removal, Turkey can and does claim that it's a 'Greek'/'Turk' argument. If Cypriots collectively lobby, then its a tiny EU nation campaigning for the removal of foreign occupying troops. And Turkey can no longer use the argument she's been using since 1974.""

She doesn't think unfortunately , barges in oblivious of the inherent damage she does to the Cyprus cause.

[The Cypriot]

(P.S. The Cypriot ... you quoted me before I corrected numerical refs).

But it's evidence, if evidence were needed, that you sometimes neglect to engage that impressive brain of yours before posting.

We are nothing if we have not inherited the wisdom of the ancients.

[umit07]

Isn't that alway's the case Deniz, many GC's just see the solution as Turkish Troop's sodding off and nothing more.

Why shouldn’t they see it that way Umit?

The RoC has the economy and the infrastructure to take care of another 100,000 people and quickly fix up her occupied territory to bring it up to scratch with the rest of the island within 2-3 years I’d say.

If a better standard of living is the name of the game then the RoC is the man for the job but if a handful of bankrupt Turkish Cypriots also want to play “power games” at everyone else’s expense, then Turkey is their man!

The point that the TAF are here (crikey for a second I forgot that I'm is Oz ) as a direct result of "issues" between TC's and GC's. Ever thought why TC's support their presence on the Island? The only way the army is going back is a settlement.

When it comes to the Cyprus problem in general I think it's a lost cause. It's now generally accepted that any "solution plan" be brought to referendum. When you look at the situation in the north it's slowly being Turkified. We are getting more and more new citizens (lucky us ) who according to the RoC should all piss off but also hold voting rights in any settlement. Then you've got the dodgy kochan's business which has led to nearly all TC's households owning a a villa in Kyrenia, again according to the RoC should all be given back. Last but not least you've got the dodgy government employee side to thing's, we've got around 50,000 households and 70,000 cheque's being sent out every month. So these day's forget about the army and security of TC's, it's the financial security most are worried about, not losing their paycheck and villa in Kyrenia, built on GR's inheritance. Everyone want's it easy and nobody wants to face the facts. THe north's volatility is the only thing that's keeping it together, strange but true. I can't see any way through this mess when you look at the demands of both sides.

[Oracle]

(P.S. The Cypriot ... you quoted me before I corrected numerical refs).

But it's evidence, if evidence were needed, that you sometimes neglect to engage that impressive brain of yours before posting.

We are nothing if we have not inherited the wisdom of the ancients.

I can't help it if you were hot on my heels ... I type, I post .... and if I have time, I read it for an edit ... You jumped in before I changed thousands to hundreds and millions to thousands ... I know I have a slight propensity for the odd emotional exaggeration, but I usually temper to suit.

Anyway, the gist is 100% correct!