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[Get Real!]

Is it so complex to understand? Read Othello!

And very well presented, (if I may be so bold)

Oracle, is a product of the Greek junta era so there is no difference between her mutterings today and those of the junta in the past, other than the fact that they also waved a stick.

[miltiades]

Sanity and wisdom , something O does not have!

[Floda]

Firstly let me express my regret that due to unforeseen events beyond my control I shall be unable to attend today's march.

Probably too pissed to get out of bed !.

[dzimeruk]

"Three else of Cyprus" (Oracle, Oracle and Oracle?), "noble swelling spirits,
That hold their honours in a wary distance,
The very elements of this warlike isle,
Have I tonight fluster'd with overflowing cups"...

[Filitsa]

... Let me just remind you that this march is and should be one of Cypriots demonstrating against the continued presence of Turkish occupying troops in the north part of our country.
Greece and the Greek flag are dividing forces not uniting .

You complete madman! ... You are not the organiser of this march so stop driving people away with your stupid remarks and rules.

If my Greek cousins wanted to come and support their ally Cyprus, on this march, and they waved Greek flags ... are you going to f-ing turn them away?

If my French neighbours decide to come and show support for the Cypriot cause, and they waved the French flag, are you going to f-ing turn them away?

Stay in your shop tinker-man and sell your pots and pans to your Turkish friends, and pray with your Muslim neighbours to show your solidarity with them -- and stop driving away the allies of Cyprus with your childish 'Greeks are not in my gang' nonsense.

Greetings, Oracle. I too have an affinity for the Hellenic heritage aspect of the Cypriot culture, but flourishing the national flag of Greece at this event is an afront to the reunification effort, as is waving the national flag of Turkey. It is simply counterintuitive to brandish the national flags of those countries that represent the ethnic tensions upon which the island was divided.

Fine felicitations Filitsa ...

I base my stance on the ideology behind this 'show of support'. If one were to allow the French to attend and wave their flags in support of the ousting of the belligerent Turkish troops, why should one deny the Greeks the chance to equally show support with their flag?

Oracle, if you will, read my response to Floda. Most ethnic Greeks and most ethnic Turks can't get beyond the symbolism of each other's flags. Again, waving these flags is counterintuitive.

So, based on intuition, what do you think would be the most likely outcome from following this Turk-pleasing gesture of not flying any Greek flags, in support of Cyprus' cause:

The Turks having achieved this 'no Greek flag-flying' objective say, "Great, ...

1) ... no more danger of Greek support; let's leave Cyprus alone!

2) ... that worked well; let's stop them speaking Greek now!

Intuition connotes common sense, Oracle. Why fly flags that antagonize?

Your options are both limited, and although tongue-in-cheek, place too much importance on appeasing the Turks. The objective of this rally is not to appease the Turks but to support a unified Cyprus. If flag waving is to be a sincere demonstration of support, no matter one's ethnicity, then wave the national flag of Cyprus.

[miltiades]

Oracle , you dont speak Greek anyway !!

[Filitsa]

Since there are so many issues relevant to the Turkish occupation of Cyprus and since such issues do at times counter what civilised societies require, I can see no reason why Greece (or any other nation in the European Union) should not exhibit their solidarity by demonstrating alongside their European brothers.

Furthermore, it might be a fine idea if ALL member states unfurled their flags in support of Cyprus' demands that the Turkish military forces should leave the island.

It's more of a "fine ideal," Floda. The fact remains that the Greek national flag is a symbol of "enosis" to most ethnic Turks of Cyprus. Likewise, the Turkish national flag symbolizes "taksim" to most ethnic Greeks of Cyprus. All other national flags are relatively benign compared to these.

The only flags likely to cause any offence to those who have considered the 'Origination' of the troubles in Cyprus ( and I refer to many years PRIOR to the invasion) are those of the USA, UK and ISRAEL. (IMHO)

In a macro sense, perhaps, Floda, but in a micro sense definitely not. None of these national flags is boldly embedded in the landscape of the Pentadaktylos Mountains as a constant reminder of the occupier. Neither were these the flags for which Solomou reached when he was gunned down. What truly matters to the people of Cyprus is putting an end to 35 years of Turkish occupation.

The UK's involvement and sanctioning of ALL the political manoeuvres which preceded the invasion are now well known, what is less clear is what is envisaged for the future of Cyprus.

My own view is that ( noting the underhandedness of the past ) it is something of an irony that this march/demonstration should be taking place in London where the 'Union Flag' is predominant and quite frankly, it saddens me to observe so many Cypriots apparently oblivious to the fact that their efforts are completely ignored by the government of the country which created (in a significant part) their dilemma.

Another worthy example of the UK's political chicanery, quite 'Tongue in Cheek' in a political sense.

It is something of an irony, but by the same token, hundreds of Cypriot refugees chose it as their safehaven, and it is a place that affords them the opportunity to demonstrate without repercussion. Unfortunately for Cyprus, the political and economic milieu of the day is such that Cyprus is of little consequence to the UK. However, if what I've been reading is true about a new trend in the housing market in the occupied North, this may change.

[Oracle]

Why fly flags that antagonize?

So, you do not want to antagonise the Turks by flying Greek flags?

Therefore, you must be suggesting appeasing them, right?

The objective of this rally is not to appease the Turks...

Oh, so then it must be OK to fly the Greek flag

Filitsa ... I think your vino is talking louder than any common sense you may possess ....

[Oracle]

Oracle , you dont speak Greek anyway !!

How do you know?

You were so busy trying to impress me as to how much like a Kalamara you can sound ... I barely got a word in!

[Oracle]

Is it so complex to understand? Read Othello!

And very well presented, (if I may be so bold)

Oracle, is a product of the Greek junta era so there is no difference between her mutterings today and those of the junta in the past, other than the fact that they also waved a stick.

Yes I am the product of the junta ... because I hate them so much (unlike you) for not only ruining the good name of my beloved Greece (allowing idiots like you to scoff) but also giving the Turks easy entry into my most beloved Cyprus!