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[Simon]

halil, you cannot be serious!!!!

You complain about Cyprus buying weapons? When Turkey violently occupies 37% of Cyprus, kills thousands of Cypriots, constantly invades our airspace and waters, needlessly kills our citizens (like Solomos Solomou), buys extremely advanced killing machines and transports them to Cyprus, is involved in the F-35 project, spending billions (and they will use these weapons against Cyprus if needs be), buys Type 214 Submarines, again costing billions, etc etc - AND THEN.....WAIT FOR IT......YOU COMPLAIN THAT TINY CYPRUS ATTEMPTS TO BUY SOME TANKS TO DEFEND ITS ALMOST DEFENCELESS PEOPLE. ARE YOU HAVING A LAUGH?

You talk about peace efforts? How many troops has Turkey withdrawn since talks began? How many weapons has Turkey removed? In fact, what compromises has Turkey ever made?

YOU HYPROCRITICAL CRETIN! LOOK AT YOUR OWN SIDE!

I tell you what, I speak on behalf of myself, one Greek Cypriot, GO FUCK YOURSELF!!

If peace talks fail and if war ever restarts, despite what others like Miltiades thinks, Ill be right on the front line, I promise. I will hope to see you there

[Viewpoint]

Hey you moron the purchase of tanks at this point of time is nothing but a move to scupper the talks, the second hand tanks give you no more power against the Turkish Army than you have today, its purely underhand GC tactics to fire up the situation and get our side to desert the talks.

[Simon]

Hey you moron these tanks easily give the National Guard more firepower to repel any attacks. If I had my way, the RoC would be buying far more.

So the fact that Turkey is buying new submarines and fighters is nothing but a move to scupper the talks. The fact that Turkey threatens the RoC is nothing but a move to scupper the talks. The fact that Turkey violates the RoC's airspace and waters is nothing but a move to scupper the talks.

If the tanks give the RoC no extra capability against Turkey, why should they affect the talks? You utter moron!

[Viewpoint]

Hey you moron these tanks easily give the National Guard more firepower to repel any attacks. If I had my way, the RoC would be buying far more.

So the fact that Turkey is buying new submarines and fighters is nothing but a move to scupper the talks. The fact that Turkey threatens the RoC is nothing but a move to scupper the talks. The fact that Turkey violates the RoC's airspace and waters is nothing but a move to scupper the talks.

If the tanks give the RoC no extra capability against Turkey, why should they affect the talks? You utter moron!

Timing is everything stop and think about it, why now?

[Simon]

You think about it, why not now?

What goodwill gesture has Turkey given us? Turkey has acted in exactly the same way diplomatically and militarily despite the talks. Therefore, why should our behaviour change? The problem with you Turks is that you are used to us making all the goodwill gestures without you actually returning any.

There is a requirement in the National Guard for more tanks, so we have ordered some. The Turkish position is as intransigent as ever despite the talks, so for the National Guard, it is business as usual. We have no reason to put off the purchases. Nothing has changed.

P.S. If any of you think these current talks will lead to a solution, you are living in a dream - unless something unforeseen and pretty drastic happens.

[Viewpoint]

You think about it, why not now?

What goodwill gesture has Turkey given us? Turkey has acted in exactly the same way diplomatically and militarily despite the talks. Therefore, why should our behaviour change? The problem with you Turks is that you are used to us making all the goodwill gestures without you actually returning any.

There is a requirement in the National Guard for more tanks, so we have ordered some. The Turkish position is as intransigent as ever despite the talks, so for the National Guard, it is business as usual. We have no reason to put off the purchases. Nothing has changed.

P.S. If any of you think these current talks will lead to a solution, you are living in a dream - unless something unforeseen and pretty drastic happens.

I agree there will be no solution as the chasm is to wide to bridge but this purchase and the timing is just more confirimation as if we needed anymore that we cannot and should not trust GCs, Im sure you feel the same about us.

[Oracle]

The T/Cs are as much Cypriots with as much right to call Cyprus their own as the G/Cs .

But they have the power to call it MORE as theirs than GCs do, since they can override the RoC ... something no GC would do!

The extremists must never be allowed to dictate and make policy decisions as in the past.

Are you referring to Makarios?

NO !
The extremists shared some of the views that some G/Cs air today on this very forum. Same ideologies different era. Back then , just as now , the driving force that propelled them to the point of no return and subsequently led to the Turkish invasion was blind allegiance to a foreign country and total contempt for realities more so the reality that this island is Cyprus and can on its own sustain its existence as an independent island and the home of all Cypriots G/Cs T/Cs and others.
The extremists , indoctrinated from an early age , and continually fed with nationalistic tribe , were hell bent on the destruction of the island of Cyprus , they achieved partly but must never be permitted to lead this island to self destruction. The law of the land , supported by the EU has to prevail .

Oh, but you said these extremists made policy decisions ...

Who were the extremists who made policy decisions? The average GC certainly didn't.

Surely you were referring to some past government ....

No O , THEY DID NOT MAKE POLICY DECISIONS .
They took the law into their hands totally disregarding the wishes of the elected democratically members of government. Makarios was brushed aside and the Junta with its cronies was " in charge " .

So you were talking rubbish about extremists making policies! I thought so ....

Perhaps, the rest is too!

Of all people I would have thought that you would understand what I said , here it is again:

"""The extremists shared some of the views that some G/Cs air today on this very forum. Same ideologies different era. Back then , just as now , the driving force that propelled them to the point of no return and subsequently led to the Turkish invasion was blind allegiance to a foreign country and total contempt for realities more so the reality that this island is Cyprus and can on its own sustain its existence as an independent island and the home of all Cypriots G/Cs T/Cs and others.
The extremists , indoctrinated from an early age , and continually fed with nationalistic tribe , were hell bent on the destruction of the island of Cyprus , they achieved partly but must never be permitted to lead this island to self destruction. The law of the land , supported by the EU has to prevail .""

To clarify further , right wing extremists , encouraged by the Junta and its Greek officers based in Cyprus , disregarded the wishes of the legally elected government and armed to the teeth took it upon themselves to achieve a dream that had long been abandoned by Makarios and the government.

Who else would have sparked the coup that brought Turkey into Cyprus but a bunch of fascists , brain dead extremists with their faces stuck right up the rear orifice of Greece.
The same sentiments , dangerous also even now are being expressed on this forum , even by you O!!

No Miltiades ... you irresponsibly said that extremists were responsible for policy decisions in Cyprus.

You failed to back it up, so we can either put it down to thoughtlessness on your part, or if you continue to make such claims (that extremists made policy) then you had better back them up!

That is a SERIOUS slur on the RoC, Miltiades!

[miltiades]

O, where exactly did I say this :

"""No Miltiades ... you irresponsibly said that extremists were responsible for policy decisions in Cyprus. ""

I'm not one who opens his mouth and make irresponsible or unfounded accusations. Point me to where exactly I said that extremists were making RoC POLICY DECISONS.
Come on , you know you have it wrong.
ps. Will you be at Trafalgar Sq this Sunday ? Trains are running normal and if need be I will pick you up and deliver you back safe and sound ! How about it ?

[halil]

Below words are from UNFICYP ........

On 20 July, the day of the Turkish landings, UNFICYP was placed on full alert. An increased level of observation was maintained throughout the entire island and additional precautions were taken to safeguard isolated Turkish Cypriot villages. The National Guard reacted to the Turkish operations with strong simultaneous attacks in other parts of the island against most of the Turkish Cypriot quarters and villages.

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=L1

[miltiades]

Halil , prior to the Turkish invasion and for some years back not one single T/C lost a life through inter communal fighting , there had been NO fighting for some 6 or so years. As soon as Turkey invaded then the ugly head of hatred and retributions started , here is a follow up of the one you posted above:

""""On 15 July, as soon as the coup d'état was reported, UNFICYP was brought to a high state of readiness. Additional liaison officers were deployed at all levels, and increased observation was maintained throughout the island in all areas of likely intercommunal confrontation. Special measures were taken to ensure the security of the Turkish Cypriot community. A few cases of firing into the Turkish enclave north of Nicosia were reported; the firing was stopped through liaison with the National Guard."""