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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:29 pm

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DT. wrote:a simple publication in a newspaper is enough if an address is not found.


Where in France?


AFRICA will publish them in the north. I heard Halil say that you have Free Press in the north, don't you, or did I get it wrong................. again.?


We'll ban them like they ban ours in South Cyprus.


:shock: :shock: :shock:


You will ban AFRICA from exercising Free Press.? :shock:

So what you are saying is, you do not have Democracy and Free Press in the north, since Freedom of Speech is one of the cornerstones of True Democracy, so what you are telling me then is, that Halil is not telling the truth about having Free Press in the north.! :shock: :shock: :shock:

I bet you will not be able to ban AFRICA from publishing those writs and their circulation will increase by many folds because all the Brits will be buying the paper to see if their names are published in it. It will be like a lottery in reverse. Buy a paper to see if they LOST.! :lol:

In any case, if all your efforts are successful in banning all attempts to serve the Brits with legal writs for their fraudulent land purchasing belonging to the GCs which might give them a very temporary relief from the law and from those seeking justice, you will instead expose all the TCs in the UK who had done the same as the Brits in the north. If the law can't get to the Brits in the north because you want to give them safe haven, you are instead throwing the TCs in the UK to take their places who will be a very easy target for the law to get to them. So much for your care to your own people. When the TCs in the UK start facing penalties, they can all point the finger to the authorities in the north for trading them by saving the Brits in the north instead. In the end, the GCs are going to go after somebody, and if you harbour the Brits, then they will go after the TCs instead.

Just a thought.! Since the UN and the EU recognises that the whole island falls under the RoC, surely publications in the papers, in the south should be adequate that the information was put out there instead of a personal writs, if in facts such publications are valid instead of a personal hand given writs are not possible, which means all your efforts to stop hand delivery writs may be pointless in the end. I'm just disappointed in you that you would stand in the way of justice being served.!


Viewpoint wrote:Are you aware we are not allowed to advertise in GC papers? so much for freedom of press, why dont you complain about anything the GCs do?


This will not be an advertisement, but a public notice. Don't forget, that most TCs in the north hold a RoC passports which makes them Cypriot citizens who deserve to be notified by having public notices in their local papers. This is not an advertisement to sell a holiday package in Limassol or Larnaca which then I can understand it being banned, therefore there is a difference between an advertisement and a public notices. It can even come in the form of a "news item" if you don't like the public notice version. There could be a special section on AFRICA that does public service reporting, by saying for example,

"Mr & Mrs Beetroot at such address had a writ put out against them yesterday by the RoC courts and are required to attend the Nicosia court on such a date. The hearing will be conducted in Greek or Turkish, therefore don't make the same mistake as the Orams did who only prepared their defence in English (morons). If there is a no-show by the defendants, Mr and Mrs Beetroot, the case will be forfeited by them and the plaintiff will prevail with a judgement, which will be in the asking amount by the plaintiff."

or something like that. I do not see any advertising in the above public notice printed in AFRICA, therefore it should be allowed to be published.

Viewpoint wrote:How will you prove that the paper is available in the TRNC? thats a dea end as well.


It doesn't matter. It is not the fault of the RoC that local papers are not deliverable in the north. How can you prove for example that, Mr & Mrs Beetroot did not see the publication in the papers while in the south when they crossed over to go to McDonalds.??

Viewpoint wrote:As for the TCs living in the UK, why not try your chances and see the results, the Orams case was specifically designed to stop sale to Brits, what would the case against TCs get you? GCs are calculated cold and materialistic people they will only take action if they have something to gain and taking TCs to court will only prove they do not class them as their own citizens which can backfire, dont ferget you are still not out of the woods yet, lets wait for the British courts verdict before claiming victory and subsequent action.


The purpose of the Orams case was to put a stop in selling off the GC properties to anyone, specially to foreigners. The other reason was to get a landmark ruling for the EU which would extend the laws of the RoC all over Europe and beyond, which they have succeeded in doing so. In the process, all 27 EU countries are all in connection with this landmark ruling. It will serve the EU well I believe. What the British court does is irrelevant, because it is the law for all 27 EU nations and the ECJ ruling has served it's purpose. But to answer your question regarding the TCs being sued by the GCs, why would that be out of ordinary.? Just because the GCs and the TCs are all Cypriots, it does not mean one can purchase the other's property fraudulently and at the same time the other is not allowed to sue the perpetrator. If that was the case, the only prisoners in any country would only have foreigners in jail, which is not the case. If people don't want to do the time, they should not do the crime. Simple really, or do you think it should not be allowed for anyone to sue anyone in Cyprus no matter what crimes are committed by anyone as long as they are Cypriots and that only foreigners should end up in jail.?


You are talking rubbish yet again we are not allowed to place any adverts or notices in GCs papers yet you again support the GCs another clear sign to everyone of where your priorities really lay. Therefore banning GC adverts which are allowed right now and public notices will not be difficult.

Its upto the "RoC" that the botice was published in 2 local papers in where it can be ready by the party concerned, you are saying Ill place a noitce in Spain and then say how do you know they didnt read it.
Stupid it would be thrown out of any legimate court in seconds.

As for the Orams issues do your worse let the world see exactly what you will do to TCs Im sure this will encourage them to want reunification, it will just support further that we will never find a solution and thet Gcs cannot be trusted in a united Cyprus....go ahead do your worst help me to show TCs of your real intentions and that they should never support any sort of a solution that would expose us to GC discrimiantion and domination.

What the British courts do is very important if they do what I predict and that is to link the verdict with a final solution then you watch the sale of GC peoperties sky rocket.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:34 am

Viewpoint wrote:You are talking rubbish yet again we are not allowed to place any adverts or notices in GCs papers yet you again support the GCs another clear sign to everyone of where your priorities really lay. Therefore banning GC adverts which are allowed right now and public notices will not be difficult.


The "trnc" does not exist to the RoC, not to the UN or to the EU. They all see this part of the island as being occupied by foreign troops, therefore may well be the reason why they will not accept anything from the north, advertising or otherwise. I still believe AFRICA will print such public notices, even if it means in a form of "news". You can ban all other things if you want, but if AFRICA prints public notices as news with the example I have already given you, how do you stop that without shutting AFRICA down or firebombing their offices one more time. You seem to be good at that in the north when it comes to AFRICA.!

Viewpoint wrote:Its upto the "RoC" that the botice was published in 2 local papers in where it can be ready by the party concerned, you are saying Ill place a noitce in Spain and then say how do you know they didnt read it.
Stupid it would be thrown out of any legimate court in seconds.


If the public notice was placed in papers in Spain, you would have a point, maybe, but much closer to home in Cyprus, you personally may want to see the RoC as another country from the north, but the EU and the UN sees the whole island as just RoC as the ECJ ruling indicated, so it really doesn’t matter what you see but what matters the most is, what the courts and the law sees in the RoC and the EU, where it really matters..

Viewpoint wrote:As for the Orams issues do your worse let the world see exactly what you will do to TCs Im sure this will encourage them to want reunification, it will just support further that we will never find a solution and thet Gcs cannot be trusted in a united Cyprus....go ahead do your worst help me to show TCs of your real intentions and that they should never support any sort of a solution that would expose us to GC discrimiantion and domination.


It's not my worse that you should worry about because I do not have any. It is the Rule of Law that you and any other TCs should worry about in dealing with GC land. Your logic is all twisted. It is all those TCs who bought GC properties who do not want a solution now, who are in your position of not wanting a solution, so what ever the GC may do in legal courts to sue you people, is not going to make any difference what’s so ever in not wanting a reunification. This is the same with the Brits in the north, therefore all morally corrupted individuals will not want a solution. Decent TCs who has not dealt in stolen GC properties will support reunification, because we have not dealt in such properties. My guess is, you have all bought large amount of cheap GC land, so why would you want to reunite, unless it will allow you to keep the GCs properties, which the AP would have allowed this to happen, and to my amazement, you expect the GCs to be in understanding in all this and also expect them to be neighbourly with you. What planet are you people from exactly.?? I'm of course not talking about the many TCs who are living in GC properties given to them as an "exchange" because they did not have any choice in the matter. Most would be happy to have reunification so that they can give the GC property back so that they can claim theirs in the south and do what ever they wish with them.

Viewpoint wrote:What the British courts do is very important if they do what I predict and that is to link the verdict with a final solution then you watch the sale of GC peoperties sky rocket.


That’s your last wishful thinking is it, that the British Courts are going to attach a political policy at the ECJ ruling, so that you can all go and sell more GC properties. Sorry to disappoint you, but courts do not make such policies, specially a very hot political one as in Cyprus. No VP, the courts only interpret what the rulings are and not make them into something they are not. The British Courts are not going to turn a Mini into a Rolls Royce for you.! I don't know where you would get such an idea. Even if morally corrupt Tony Blair was around, he couldn't help you. But just for the sake of argument that were to happen, it will be appealed and it will be struck down in my opinion.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:41 pm

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The "trnc" does not exist to the RoC, not to the UN or to the EU. They all see this part of the island as being occupied by foreign troops, therefore may well be the reason why they will not accept anything from the north, advertising or otherwise. I still believe AFRICA will print such public notices, even if it means in a form of "news". You can ban all other things if you want, but if AFRICA prints public notices as news with the example I have already given you, how do you stop that without shutting AFRICA down or firebombing their offices one more time. You seem to be good at that in the north when it comes to AFRICA.!


These are people who you claim to represent on the one hand you say that the EU sees the whole island as one and in the same breath you say people cannot advertise in GC papers as if it is normal and acceptable this is one arguement where you should be on the sides of the TCs but yet again you show our true colours for all to see, do you know GCs businesses and people can advertise in TC papers. your Africa arguement is redundent the government has the power to close it down anytime it wants wend of story, if you dont like it run to ECHR like you always do and collect another piece of paper.

If the public notice was placed in papers in Spain, you would have a point, maybe, but much closer to home in Cyprus, you personally may want to see the RoC as another country from the north, but the EU and the UN sees the whole island as just RoC as the ECJ ruling indicated, so it really doesn’t matter what you see but what matters the most is, what the courts and the law sees in the RoC and the EU, where it really matters..


So it doesnt matter that the paper does not circulate in the TRNC, the distance does not make any difference the principle is the same, the courts will ask the newspaper how many they sell in say Girne, what will they say? zero? case thrown out.

It's not my worse that you should worry about because I do not have any. It is the Rule of Law that you and any other TCs should worry about in dealing with GC land. Your logic is all twisted. It is all those TCs who bought GC properties who do not want a solution now, who are in your position of not wanting a solution, so what ever the GC may do in legal courts to sue you people, is not going to make any difference what’s so ever in not wanting a reunification. This is the same with the Brits in the north, therefore all morally corrupted individuals will not want a solution. Decent TCs who has not dealt in stolen GC properties will support reunification, because we have not dealt in such properties. My guess is, you have all bought large amount of cheap GC land, so why would you want to reunite, unless it will allow you to keep the GCs properties, which the AP would have allowed this to happen, and to my amazement, you expect the GCs to be in understanding in all this and also expect them to be neighbourly with you. What planet are you people from exactly.?? I'm of course not talking about the many TCs who are living in GC properties given to them as an "exchange" because they did not have any choice in the matter. Most would be happy to have reunification so that they can give the GC property back so that they can claim theirs in the south and do what ever they wish with them.


I am not going to argue this issue as I do not have any GC land so go after whom ever you wish but dont cry if the whole thing back fires and makes the situation even more unsolvable than it already is.

That’s your last wishful thinking is it, that the British Courts are going to attach a political policy at the ECJ ruling, so that you can all go and sell more GC properties. Sorry to disappoint you, but courts do not make such policies, specially a very hot political one as in Cyprus. No VP, the courts only interpret what the rulings are and not make them into something they are not. The British Courts are not going to turn a Mini into a Rolls Royce for you.! I don't know where you would get such an idea. Even if morally corrupt Tony Blair was around, he couldn't help you. But just for the sake of argument that were to happen, it will be appealed and it will be struck down in my opinion.


Remember this debate when you read the verdict, the Brits are experts at interpreting things in their favor just like yourselves and they will not shhot their own people in the back they will find a way of either linking it to a comprehensive solution or prolong actually delaring a verdict...mark my words, you are not out of the woods yet.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:52 am

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The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.


Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK, what will you do then?

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Postby YFred » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:54 am

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The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.


Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK, what will you do then?

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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:59 am

Viewpoint wrote:You are talking rubbish yet again we are not allowed to place any adverts or notices in GCs papers...

Not that I know of VP, unless of course you're referring to "TRNC" propaganda messages or something... :lol:


Anyway, it’s laughable when those who accept EU funds threaten to refuse and/or persecute EU writs! :roll:

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Postby Get Real! » Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:02 am

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Viewpoint wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.

Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK, what will you do then?

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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:10 pm

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Kikapu wrote:The "trnc" does not exist to the RoC, not to the UN or to the EU. They all see this part of the island as being occupied by foreign troops, therefore may well be the reason why they will not accept anything from the north, advertising or otherwise. I still believe AFRICA will print such public notices, even if it means in a form of "news". You can ban all other things if you want, but if AFRICA prints public notices as news with the example I have already given you, how do you stop that without shutting AFRICA down or firebombing their offices one more time. You seem to be good at that in the north when it comes to AFRICA.!


These are people who you claim to represent on the one hand you say that the EU sees the whole island as one and in the same breath you say people cannot advertise in GC papers as if it is normal and acceptable this is one arguement where you should be on the sides of the TCs but yet again you show our true colours for all to see, do you know GCs businesses and people can advertise in TC papers. your Africa arguement is redundent the government has the power to close it down anytime it wants wend of story, if you dont like it run to ECHR like you always do and collect another piece of paper.


The fact that the whole world sees the whole island as a RoC territory does not change the fact that they also see the north as being under occupation, therefore all activities from the north is embargoed, but does not mean that the TCs are embargoed, just the "trnc". Philosophically speaking, you can hardly expect the RoC to allow advertising in the south from the "trnc" that may include in selling GC land to foreigners living in the south for instance. That would be a slap in the face would you not say, which will be no different than having those flags on Graffiti Mountain. Since you are capable of doing such acts, why would you also not do "in your face" acts like advertise selling stolen GC properties to the Brits or any other foreigner in the south. You may even advertise to invite those in the south to came and have a holiday in the north. Once you allow advertising, it will be hard to control what is advertised. In any case, I have not made a judgement on this as you seem to accuse me of as usual, and as usual, due to your lack of understanding the English language fully, I merely gave the possible reason as to why the RoC does not allow advertisement from the north. I thought I made it very clear when I said this above. "They all see this part of the island as being occupied by foreign troops, therefore may well be the reason why they will not accept anything from the north, advertising or otherwise". I'm sure TCs can place adds in the papers in the south if its only relating to doing business in the south, so once again, it is not the TCs that are banned, but the occupied part of the RoC.

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Kikapu wrote:If the public notice was placed in papers in Spain, you would have a point, maybe, but much closer to home in Cyprus, you personally may want to see the RoC as another country from the north, but the EU and the UN sees the whole island as just RoC as the ECJ ruling indicated, so it really doesn’t matter what you see but what matters the most is, what the courts and the law sees in the RoC and the EU, where it really matters..


So it doesnt matter that the paper does not circulate in the TRNC, the distance does not make any difference the principle is the same, the courts will ask the newspaper how many they sell in say Girne, what will they say? zero? case thrown out.


I don't think it would matter, because to the courts, Girne is part of the RoC and the "trnc" is not a another country, but part of the RoC under occupation. Recent ECJ ruling made that very clear. If you don't believe me, ask the UN and the EU and they will tell you the same. In any case, you will be helping the RoC with it's case if you ban their courts public notices in the TC papers in the north by making the argument that they can only publish the writs in the papers in the south, because the occupied north does not allow justice to be served there. That would be a black eye for the "trnc". We are once again back to the ECJ ruling where it states that RoC is the whole island, or else they would not have ruled the way they did, if they thought the north was another country. Clearly it is not. But lets wait and see if in fact the north will pass any laws that would fine and jail anyone for serving writs in person without the EU coming hard on you like a “ton of bricks.”

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Kikapu wrote:It's not my worse that you should worry about because I do not have any. It is the Rule of Law that you and any other TCs should worry about in dealing with GC land. Your logic is all twisted. It is all those TCs who bought GC properties who do not want a solution now, who are in your position of not wanting a solution, so what ever the GC may do in legal courts to sue you people, is not going to make any difference what’s so ever in not wanting a reunification. This is the same with the Brits in the north, therefore all morally corrupted individuals will not want a solution. Decent TCs who has not dealt in stolen GC properties will support reunification, because we have not dealt in such properties. My guess is, you have all bought large amount of cheap GC land, so why would you want to reunite, unless it will allow you to keep the GCs properties, which the AP would have allowed this to happen, and to my amazement, you expect the GCs to be in understanding in all this and also expect them to be neighbourly with you. What planet are you people from exactly.?? I'm of course not talking about the many TCs who are living in GC properties given to them as an "exchange" because they did not have any choice in the matter. Most would be happy to have reunification so that they can give the GC property back so that they can claim theirs in the south and do what ever they wish with them.


I am not going to argue this issue as I do not have any GC land so go after whom ever you wish but dont cry if the whole thing back fires and makes the situation even more unsolvable than it already is.


But this was the centre of your whole argument and now you want to remain silent, just because you cannot defend my argument. It doesn't matter if you don't own any GC properties, as hard as that may be to be believed, but lets take your word for it, for what it's worth, which often, not too much, but lets put that aside since you have family members, friends, colleagues who did buy GC land, so naturally you are always trying to protect these morally corrupted individuals, so go ahead, but it doesn't make you look any better, because at the end of the day, you too are benefiting from all the GC properties in the north whether it is directly or indirectly. Once you are part of the "Corrupted Society" that you support, you cannot escape the effects of Haram's Sins.

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Kikapu wrote:That’s your last wishful thinking is it, that the British Courts are going to attach a political policy at the ECJ ruling, so that you can all go and sell more GC properties. Sorry to disappoint you, but courts do not make such policies, specially a very hot political one as in Cyprus. No VP, the courts only interpret what the rulings are and not make them into something they are not. The British Courts are not going to turn a Mini into a Rolls Royce for you.! I don't know where you would get such an idea. Even if morally corrupt Tony Blair was around, he couldn't help you. But just for the sake of argument that were to happen, it will be appealed and it will be struck down in my opinion.


Remember this debate when you read the verdict, the Brits are experts at interpreting things in their favor just like yourselves and they will not shhot their own people in the back they will find a way of either linking it to a comprehensive solution or prolong actually delaring a verdict...mark my words, you are not out of the woods yet.


So far you have gotten everything wrong about ECJ ruling from the start to finish and you will also in the end. The British government has just gone through one of the worse embarrassment about the MP's lying about their expense accounts that was screwing the tax payers royally. The British Courts are not going to go against a landmark ruling and face further embarrassment in a 27 EU member countries by trying to protect few thousand Brits who bought stolen property knowingly. Don't forget, the most important British assets are in the south, in the form of the Bases. They were warned, but they believed your "government's" lies that they were in fact not stolen and were given guarantees on top for money-back-guarantees, which no such guarantees exists in reality, so these normally corrupted Brits took a gamble and lost. Hey, shit happens, as it did in this case. What would be the point in delaying the verdict until there is a settlement.? If there is a settlement, then all those Brits will be kicked off the properties along with anyone else in the same situation, including TCs from the UK who bought cheap GC land for investment, but live in the UK or have a vacation home in the north, they will all face the same music unless they will pay today's market price to stay in them if the GC owners wish to do that, in which case it may cost the Brits additional £100,000, £200,000, £300,000 or more to buy out the GC owner. These idiots do not have that kind of money, or if they did, they sure are not going to spend it so to live in the north and Cyprus in general. These idiots came to the north, because there were cheap GC properties for sale, that's all. But even they are not happy with you right now, because they can’t even get their pre 74 deeds, those few Brits who did not buy GC properties, but pre 74 TC properties. They too getting screwed by you now. Hehehe, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck".!
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:21 pm

at the end of the day turkey can do what thy want because no one is really going to stop them..

on the other hand it does not look for them and it does not help them with eu and they will just show the world how they really are and no one will want to help them...
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:09 pm

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The fact that the whole world sees the whole island as a RoC territory does not change the fact that they also see the north as being under occupation, therefore all activities from the north is embargoed, but does not mean that the TCs are embargoed, just the "trnc". Philosophically speaking, you can hardly expect the RoC to allow advertising in the south from the "trnc" that may include in selling GC land to foreigners living in the south for instance. That would be a slap in the face would you not say, which will be no different than having those flags on Graffiti Mountain. Since you are capable of doing such acts, why would you also not do "in your face" acts like advertise selling stolen GC properties to the Brits or any other foreigner in the south. You may even advertise to invite those in the south to came and have a holiday in the north. Once you allow advertising, it will be hard to control what is advertised. In any case, I have not made a judgement on this as you seem to accuse me of as usual, and as usual, due to your lack of understanding the English language fully, I merely gave the possible reason as to why the RoC does not allow advertisement from the north. I thought I made it very clear when I said this above. "They all see this part of the island as being occupied by foreign troops, therefore may well be the reason why they will not accept anything from the north, advertising or otherwise". I'm sure TCs can place adds in the papers in the south if its only relating to doing business in the south, so once again, it is not the TCs that are banned, but the occupied part of the RoC.


You continue to contradict yourself if you and the Eu see the island as one then surely TCs have a right to advertise in GC papers, they are totally banned and they cannot advertise from any walks of life forget official notices no one is allowed to advertise from the north. I dont see you fighting for our right to so do, why is that? just supports my arguement about how biased and one sided you really are.

I don't think it would matter, because to the courts, Girne is part of the RoC and the "trnc" is not a another country, but part of the RoC under occupation. Recent ECJ ruling made that very clear. If you don't believe me, ask the UN and the EU and they will tell you the same. In any case, you will be helping the RoC with it's case if you ban their courts public notices in the TC papers in the north by making the argument that they can only publish the writs in the papers in the south, because the occupied north does not allow justice to be served there. That would be a black eye for the "trnc". We are once again back to the ECJ ruling where it states that RoC is the whole island, or else they would not have ruled the way they did, if they thought the north was another country. Clearly it is not. But lets wait and see if in fact the north will pass any laws that would fine and jail anyone for serving writs in person without the EU coming hard on you like a “ton of bricks.”


Writs have to be clearly handed to the receipient in a language they understand or advertised in a paper they are exposed to, if you cant do this then no legitmate court will take your case seriously when the receipient doesnt turn up, you might as well advertise in Alaska distance is not the issue but the point is the that the receipient has to have a good chnace to seeing and reading the writ. As for the EU coming down on us like ton of bricks who gives a shit they can keep their money for all we care as they are not to be trusted as you know we have first hand of experience of unkept promises, no one in the north takes them seriously anymore.

But this was the centre of your whole argument and now you want to remain silent, just because you cannot defend my argument. It doesn't matter if you don't own any GC properties, as hard as that may be to be believed, but lets take your word for it, for what it's worth, which often, not too much, but lets put that aside since you have family members, friends, colleagues who did buy GC land, so naturally you are always trying to protect these morally corrupted individuals, so go ahead, but it doesn't make you look any better, because at the end of the day, you too are benefiting from all the GC properties in the north whether it is directly or indirectly. Once you are part of the "Corrupted Society" that you support, you cannot escape the effects of Haram's Sins.


So do somethting about it, collect your little bits of paper doesnt change a thing in reality, not one inch of land has been returned nor will it be as long as the TRNC is in place and the troops remain. The only way for their to be conclusion is to compromise and find a struccture we can all commit to otherwise the status quo will continue forever.

So far you have gotten everything wrong about ECJ ruling from the start to finish and you will also in the end. The British government has just gone through one of the worse embarrassment about the MP's lying about their expense accounts that was screwing the tax payers royally. The British Courts are not going to go against a landmark ruling and face further embarrassment in a 27 EU member countries by trying to protect few thousand Brits who bought stolen property knowingly. Don't forget, the most important British assets are in the south, in the form of the Bases. They were warned, but they believed your "government's" lies that they were in fact not stolen and were given guarantees on top for money-back-guarantees, which no such guarantees exists in reality, so these normally corrupted Brits took a gamble and lost. Hey, shit happens, as it did in this case. What would be the point in delaying the verdict until there is a settlement.? If there is a settlement, then all those Brits will be kicked off the properties along with anyone else in the same situation, including TCs from the UK who bought cheap GC land for investment, but live in the UK or have a vacation home in the north, they will all face the same music unless they will pay today's market price to stay in them if the GC owners wish to do that, in which case it may cost the Brits additional £100,000, £200,000, £300,000 or more to buy out the GC owner. These idiots do not have that kind of money, or if they did, they sure are not going to spend it so to live in the north and Cyprus in general. These idiots came to the north, because there were cheap GC properties for sale, that's all. But even they are not happy with you right now, because they can’t even get their pre 74 deeds, those few Brits who did not buy GC properties, but pre 74 TC properties. They too getting screwed by you now. Hehehe, "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck".!


You have yet to get the verdict of your dreams, dont count those chickens as they may never hatch, we will deal with any detours as and when they arise otherwise its all speculation, plus the ECJ is clarificaiton not a ruling. We are a resilient people and we are preapred to cope with anything rather than capitulate to GC demands nothing has chnaged in 35 years dont expect anything to chnage unless we agree to it.
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