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[Oracle]

No sooner do we gain relief from CopperLine's pseudo-semi-legal rantings, when we acquire another crypto-Turkish poster trying to sound impartial whilst all the while squeezing in half truths ...

PAX .... go back to "METU"!

[The Cypriot]

This would also include the Republic of Turkey itself and assets it has in EU countries, eg. embassies, consuls, trade, tourists and cultural centres.

I don't think so because on the whole, as far as I am aware, the Republic of Turkey (as a legal person) does not claim property rights in northern Cyprus.

Certainly it is not claiming legal title to, for example, Apostolides' land. At most the Republic of Turkey was claiming jurisdiction (not the same as title) but even then it insists that the entity known as TRNC is the sovereign jurisdiction. Pushing that particular route is, in my opinion, a non-starter.

I am not a lawyer so would need advice on whether a writ could be served against RoT. There is certainly land, belonging to the Church and Government under the jurisdiction of Turkey's military, that would qualify.

The ECJ judgment does not have force over Turkey for two principal reasons :First, obviously, is Turkey not an EU member.

But it has assets in the EU.

Second, and the Republic of Turkey as a sovereign state is not, in legal speak, a natural person. In the end, a writ has to be issued against a natural person (for example, a company secretary, an executive director, an account holder).

Perhaps a lawyer could advise whether a writ could be issued by the Church to say Turkey's embassy in London, addressed to a certain Mr Erdogan, for example.

However, the Republic of Turkey could of course be subject to an action (state or individual), and has been in the past, through the ECHR.

For more than a few handful of title cases to be resolved stretching out over years there has to be either (a) a massive shift in the effectiveness of the so-called Immovable Property Commission in northern Cyprus or (b) a generalised political settlement.

The ECJ judgment is very important but ironically it is not necessarily good news for either 'side'. For Turkish Cypriots generally it re-confirms that the door is closing firmly and that dependence on Turkey will increase, that much we knew already. But for Greek Cypriots it also confirms that unless there is a a generalised political settlement, the only resolution will come through long-drawn out individual cases which for many of those of the generations that were expropriated will mean "not in our life time".

I don't disagree. Let's hope that a mutually acceptable political settlement can be agreed without the need for continued and, as you say, lengthy legal proceedings.

[Kikapu]

You have been warned feel free to serve your writs and end up in prison, the choice is all yours.

Why don't you read what's been posted?

- It ain't necessary to serve the writs in the occupied areas. Read what's been said in the OP.

We are referring to those s which will be served here in the TRNC not all can be served abroad. If the british high commission takes on your nasty work then we will take the necessary stops to stop them as well. No longer can any writs be served directly to a resident in the TRNC, go ahead I dare you.

What's the GB High Comm hot to fo with it?

Anyway, just stop and think, put your head back on and calm down and think a little clearer as to how many thousands of writs could be served here in The Biggest Property Property Market, GB and served perfectly peacefully, duly served simply through the post in the same way as people get parking tickets.

If you park illegally expect a summons, in the post.

What if they have no address in the UK? the only way is to physically serve it to those who live here and for that you will be arrested. Post it to the TRNC and we will say it never arrived or return to sender undelivered, there are many ways to skin a GC cat. So its you that shoudl screw your head back on as thes elegall proceedings will get us nowhere just more bad will and mistrust, and to think these GCs claim they want unification.

Grasping at straws again?

All that is normally required in GB for court documents is Proof of Posting. Have you understood that? POSTING!

So you can shout and scream and cry as much as you want to, deny delivery in any lying, scammy way you want to. The Courts will rule that the documents were duly and properly served. Your dodgy, childish denial of delivery won't wash with the Courts. They, after all have centuries of experience in dealing with crooks who foolishly seek to avoid their jurisdiction.

RETURNED UNABLE TO DELIVER.

Doesn't the returned letter would then be used as a proof that is was posted, if posting is only required as an evidence that the letter was sent to the recipient as Bill mentioned it above. What better way of proving that the letter was posted, than actually a returned letter with a "Return to Sender" on it.!

[Viewpoint]

You have been warned feel free to serve your writs and end up in prison, the choice is all yours.

Why don't you read what's been posted?

- It ain't necessary to serve the writs in the occupied areas. Read what's been said in the OP.

We are referring to those s which will be served here in the TRNC not all can be served abroad. If the british high commission takes on your nasty work then we will take the necessary stops to stop them as well. No longer can any writs be served directly to a resident in the TRNC, go ahead I dare you.

What's the GB High Comm hot to fo with it?

Anyway, just stop and think, put your head back on and calm down and think a little clearer as to how many thousands of writs could be served here in The Biggest Property Property Market, GB and served perfectly peacefully, duly served simply through the post in the same way as people get parking tickets.

If you park illegally expect a summons, in the post.

What if they have no address in the UK? the only way is to physically serve it to those who live here and for that you will be arrested. Post it to the TRNC and we will say it never arrived or return to sender undelivered, there are many ways to skin a GC cat. So its you that shoudl screw your head back on as thes elegall proceedings will get us nowhere just more bad will and mistrust, and to think these GCs claim they want unification.

Grasping at straws again?

All that is normally required in GB for court documents is Proof of Posting. Have you understood that? POSTING!

So you can shout and scream and cry as much as you want to, deny delivery in any lying, scammy way you want to. The Courts will rule that the documents were duly and properly served. Your dodgy, childish denial of delivery won't wash with the Courts. They, after all have centuries of experience in dealing with crooks who foolishly seek to avoid their jurisdiction.

RETURNED UNABLE TO DELIVER.

Doesn't the returned letter would then be used as a proof that is was posted, if posting is only required as an evidence that the letter was sent to the recipient as Bill mentioned it above. What better way of proving that the letter was posted, than actually a returned letter with a "Return to Sender" on it.!

If the writ does not reach the receipiant its no go what ever the reason for its return.

[Oracle]

We could always serve the writs on the forum!

Take care when you next pick up a PM ......

[bill cobbett]

We could always serve the writs on the forum!

Take care when you next pick up a PM ......

... Or send them all to VP ....

Mr V.P
Nicosia (occupied part)
Mersin 10
Turkey

[Kikapu]

North law on stopping writs? Let them try…
By Charles Charalambous

THE ADMINISTRATION in the north is reportedly considering “new laws” to thwart Greek Cypriots from presenting writs to the illegal occupants of their properties in the north.

According to a front-page item in a recent edition of Cyprus Today, appearing under the headline “New laws to stop Greeks”, the Turkish Cypriot ‘Foreign Minister’ Husseyin Ozgurgun has urged people not to accept writs “to ensure they do not fall victim to Greek Cypriot claims on property” like Linda and David Orams.

Ozgurgun is quoted as telling Cyprus Today: “If anyone knocks on your door and tries to deliver a court writ to you, don’t take it and call the police, because it is a crime.

“It is a shame we let them do whatever they want in our country. How dare they come and implement another state’s regulation in the TRNC?”

The quote continues: “Actually, we are planning to introduce heavy fines for people who deliver South Cyprus official papers here. We are thinking of jail-terms of up to five years.”

Lawyer Constantis Candounas, who represented Meletis Apostolides in his case against British couple Linda and David Orams said the plan had little practical meaning.

“Let them do what they want, it is a waste of paper, if they think that this nonsense and threats will scare people off. This nonsense seems to be designed just for domestic consumption.”

Candounas said that he was surprised that Ozgurgun should say ‘How dare they’, because “even under their own laws, as evidenced by the so-called property commission, they recognise that the property belongs to Greek Cypriots.”

The lawyer said that “the serving of writs is now done in other EU countries. I have passed writs on to the Cypriot government, which passed them on to the UK government, who then served the writs, as they are obliged to do under EU law.”

He added: “What is their problem – that we choose to go to one court rather than another? If they are serious about this, then they should formally request the UK government to stop serving writs on behalf of the Cypriot government, not threaten people like me.”

Candounas himself has been arrested three times in the north, and has had a writ served on him.

He said: “I decided to appear before the courts in the north, which are a reality, whether or not they are recognised under international law. This is why one should think twice about breaking the rules currently operating in the north.”

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=46753

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

I sence a panick...I think it's finally starting to sink in....

They are like a headless chicken. They do not know which way to run. Can you imagine these people as leaders of any group. Laughable.

That's VP for you, Deniz.!

[DT.]

a simple publication in a newspaper is enough if an address is not found.

[Viewpoint]

a simple publication in a newspaper is enough if an address is not found.

Where in France?

[Kikapu]

a simple publication in a newspaper is enough if an address is not found.

Where in France?

AFRICA will publish them in the north. I heard Halil say that you have Free Press in the north, don't you, or did I get it wrong................. again.?