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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:48 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:You have been warned feel free to serve your writs and end up in prison, the choice is all yours.


Why don't you read what's been posted?

- It ain't necessary to serve the writs in the occupied areas. Read what's been said in the OP. :roll:


We are referring to those s which will be served here in the TRNC not all can be served abroad. If the british high commission takes on your nasty work then we will take the necessary stops to stop them as well. No longer can any writs be served directly to a resident in the TRNC, go ahead I dare you.


What's the GB High Comm hot to fo with it?

Anyway, just stop and think, put your head back on and calm down and think a little clearer as to how many thousands of writs could be served here in The Biggest Property Property Market, GB and served perfectly peacefully, duly served simply through the post in the same way as people get parking tickets.

If you park illegally expect a summons, in the post.


What if they have no address in the UK? the only way is to physically serve it to those who live here and for that you will be arrested. Post it to the TRNC and we will say it never arrived or return to sender undelivered, there are many ways to skin a GC cat. So its you that shoudl screw your head back on as thes elegall proceedings will get us nowhere just more bad will and mistrust, and to think these GCs claim they want unification.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:54 pm

If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:57 pm

The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.


Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK, what will you do then?
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Postby The Cypriot » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:13 pm

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The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.


Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK,


How do you know this? Can you provide some links?

Viewpoint wrote:what will you do then?


I won't do anything. I'm not a refugee. But if I was the Church of Cyprus or the Government of Cyprus, I'd focus on the Republic of Turkey's assets in the EU; embassies, consulates, trade, tourist and cultural centres and offices.
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Postby humanist » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:52 pm

VP now your full of shit ..... knowing the scummy British .... they will never sell everything from the UK because they still think that the UK is the best place for them. The law will get you very soon ;)
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:56 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If they have no address - and therefore assets - in the UK (or other parts of the EU) then what would be the point of serving the writ in the north? It's against these EU assets a Cypriot refugee would be claiming against.


Most of the Brits here have sold off their semi detached homes in the UK and have no assets in the UK,


How do you know this? Can you provide some links?

Viewpoint wrote:what will you do then?


I won't do anything. I'm not a refugee. But if I was the Church of Cyprus or the Government of Cyprus, I'd focus on the Republic of Turkey's assets in the EU; embassies, consulates, trade, tourist and cultural centres and offices.


Do you worst and lets see where it will take you, you under estimated us in 1974 and look what happened pile on the pressure and surely the explosion will come, you can guarantee you will not like it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:58 pm

humanist wrote:VP now your full of shit ..... knowing the scummy British .... they will never sell everything from the UK because they still think that the UK is the best place for them. The law will get you very soon ;)


Never count your chickens before they hatch things have yet to be concluded and with a bit of luck you will get nowhere yet again, 35 years of banging your head against a brick wall and you still want more.
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You have been warned feel free to serve your writs and end up in prison, the choice is all yours.


Why don't you read what's been posted?

- It ain't necessary to serve the writs in the occupied areas. Read what's been said in the OP. :roll:


We are referring to those s which will be served here in the TRNC not all can be served abroad. If the british high commission takes on your nasty work then we will take the necessary stops to stop them as well. No longer can any writs be served directly to a resident in the TRNC, go ahead I dare you.


What's the GB High Comm hot to fo with it?

Anyway, just stop and think, put your head back on and calm down and think a little clearer as to how many thousands of writs could be served here in The Biggest Property Property Market, GB and served perfectly peacefully, duly served simply through the post in the same way as people get parking tickets.

If you park illegally expect a summons, in the post.


What if they have no address in the UK? the only way is to physically serve it to those who live here and for that you will be arrested. Post it to the TRNC and we will say it never arrived or return to sender undelivered, there are many ways to skin a GC cat. So its you that shoudl screw your head back on as thes elegall proceedings will get us nowhere just more bad will and mistrust, and to think these GCs claim they want unification.


Grasping at straws again?

All that is normally required in GB for court documents is Proof of Posting. Have you understood that? POSTING!

So you can shout and scream and cry as much as you want to, deny delivery in any lying, scammy way you want to. The Courts will rule that the documents were duly and properly served. Your dodgy, childish denial of delivery won't wash with the Courts. They, after all have centuries of experience in dealing with crooks who foolishly seek to avoid their jurisdiction.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:35 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:You have been warned feel free to serve your writs and end up in prison, the choice is all yours.


Why don't you read what's been posted?

- It ain't necessary to serve the writs in the occupied areas. Read what's been said in the OP. :roll:


We are referring to those s which will be served here in the TRNC not all can be served abroad. If the british high commission takes on your nasty work then we will take the necessary stops to stop them as well. No longer can any writs be served directly to a resident in the TRNC, go ahead I dare you.


What's the GB High Comm hot to fo with it?

Anyway, just stop and think, put your head back on and calm down and think a little clearer as to how many thousands of writs could be served here in The Biggest Property Property Market, GB and served perfectly peacefully, duly served simply through the post in the same way as people get parking tickets.

If you park illegally expect a summons, in the post.


What if they have no address in the UK? the only way is to physically serve it to those who live here and for that you will be arrested. Post it to the TRNC and we will say it never arrived or return to sender undelivered, there are many ways to skin a GC cat. So its you that shoudl screw your head back on as thes elegall proceedings will get us nowhere just more bad will and mistrust, and to think these GCs claim they want unification.


Grasping at straws again?

All that is normally required in GB for court documents is Proof of Posting. Have you understood that? POSTING!

So you can shout and scream and cry as much as you want to, deny delivery in any lying, scammy way you want to. The Courts will rule that the documents were duly and properly served. Your dodgy, childish denial of delivery won't wash with the Courts. They, after all have centuries of experience in dealing with crooks who foolishly seek to avoid their jurisdiction.


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Postby Pax » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:43 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Pax wrote:The significance of the ECJ judgment on Orams is that a court order, including writ or other warrant, can be served and enforced anywhere in the EU. Crucially the ECJ judgment confirms that this principle applies to all court orders issued by any EU national court within any EU national jurisdiction irrespective of whether the offence was committed within that same jurisdiction.
Furthermore the ECJ judgment is notlimited to the Orams, to ex-pat property holders, or to property cases in Cyprus. Much more than this, it confirms the principle of universal enforcement across all the EU. Thus if needs be, a German citizen held liable for an offence in Sweden (by a Swedish court) could find that court order enforced in Cyprus.

Anyone - Turkish Cypriot, Greek Cypriot, British, German, Greek, etc - found by a Republic of Cyprus court in breach of RoC property law in northern Cyprus would be potentially subject to a writ which could be served in any/all EU states. Furthermore, not only are EU citizens subject to this extension of enforcement. Turkish citizens living in the EU, or certainly with assets in the EU, could also be subjected, in principle, to an enforcement order.

Sure this is all political. But the law is political. It is naive to think it to be otherwise.


This would also include the Republic of Turkey itself and assets it has in EU countries, eg. embassies, consuls, trade, tourists and cultural centres.


I don't think so because on the whole, as far as I am aware, the Republic of Turkey (as a legal person) does not claim property rights in northern Cyprus. Certainly it is not claiming legal title to, for example, Apostolides' land. At most the Republic of Turkey was claiming jurisdiction (not the same as title) but even then it insists that the entity known as TRNC is the sovereign jurisdiction. Pushing that particular route is, in my opinion, a non-starter.

The ECJ judgment does not have force over Turkey for two principal reasons :First, obviously, is Turkey not an EU member. Second, and the Republic of Turkey as a sovereign state is not, in legal speak, a natural person. In the end, a writ has to be issued against a natural person (for example, a company secretary, an executive director, an account holder). However, the Republic of Turkey could of course be subject to an action (state or individual), and has been in the past, through the ECHR.

For more than a few handful of title cases to be resolved stretching out over years there has to be either (a) a massive shift in the effectiveness of the so-called Immovable Property Commission in northern Cyprus or (b) a generalised political settlement.

The ECJ judgment is very important but ironically it is not necessarily good news for either 'side'. For Turkish Cypriots generally it re-confirms that the door is closing firmly and that dependence on Turkey will increase, that much we knew already. But for Greek Cypriots it also confirms that unless there is a a generalised political settlement, the only resolution will come through long-drawn out individual cases which for many of those of the generations that were expropriated will mean "not in our life time".
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