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İlter Türkmen on Cyprus

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:38 pm

Octogenarian retired Turkish diplomat İlter Türkmen, who was appointed Turkey's Foreign Minister following the 1980 coup, was interviewed recently by two Turkish Cypriot journalists, one of them the highly respected Hasan Hastürer. Türkmen raises some very interesting points in this interview, so I have made a translation of it for this forum.

Turkey’s former Foreign Minister and former Ambassador, İlter Türkmen, has stated that there is no possibility of the TRNC gaining recognition.

Türkmen, expressing the view that the TRNC would not be recognised by the EU or the USA, said that recognition by a number of African states would not bring any benefit whatsoever.

Türkmen, replying to HAVADİS’ Hasan Hastürer and Aral Moral’s questions, noted that a great opportunity for solving the Cyprus problem was lost in The Hague in 2003.

Türkmen, saying that he supported the Annan plan, voiced the opinion, “The Annan Plan had various flaws and was difficult to implement. If the plan could have been shown to be unworkable our basic aim of two states could have been achieved more easily, because it would have been necessary to find a formula within the EU. Just as Czechoslovakia was divided into two it would have been possible to divide Cyprus into two separate states.

Türkmen, who considers the foreign policy which Turkey has lately been following with respect to the Cyprus problem to be exceptionally successful, noted that at a meeting which he attended in the USA following 1974 a proposal was made by American senators for the creation of an independent state in the north in return for Varosha.

Türkmen went on to say that the chief reason for the establishment of the TRNC was the ending of Rauf Denktash’s term in office.

“I supported the Annan Plan, because…”

In response to a question as to whether he was hopeful about the ongoing talks between President Talat and Greek Cypriot leader Christofias, Türkmen said that a settlement was far more problematical than it was in 2002-2003.

Türkmen, stating that the Greek Cypriots’ EU accession in the name of the whole of Cyprus has had a significant effect on the Cyprus problem, said, “We have to see this reality. These will be difficult negotiations.”

Türkmen, pointing out that a great opportunity was lost in 2002 and 2003, said that if the Annan Plan had been accepted at that time the Greek Cypriots would also have been obliged to accept it.

Türkmen, saying, “Mr Simitis was also delighted upon learning that Mr Denktash would not sign the plan at the last minute. Indeed, at that time Hellenism achieved a successful high point. He said that henceforth in the EU there were two Hellenic states,” made the following interesting comments with reference to the Annan Plan:

Following Turkish Cypriot accession to the EU, the Annan Plan had various flaws and was difficult to implement. If the plan could have been shown to be unworkable our basic aim of two states could have been achieved more easily, because it would have been necessary to find a formula within the EU. Just as Czechoslovakia was divided into two it would have been possible to divide Cyprus into two separate states. You will recall that I was also a staunch supporter of the Annan Plan with such points in mind.

“The TRNC will not be recognised”

Türkmen, pointing out in the 24 April referendum the right of Turkish Cypriots to self-determination was confirmed, said, “Henceforth there will be no solution that is unacceptable to the Turkish Cypriot people.”

İlter Türkmen, saying that following the referendum more opportunities have arisen for the Turkish Cypriots to open up to the world, stated that the Turkish Cypriots had gained in legitimacy but were not recognised as a state.

Türkmen, saying, “There is no chance of recognition”, stressed that recognition by a number of African states would not bring any benefit whatsoever.

“In Cyprus the human component is important”

Asked what Turkey’s policy was towards Cyprus, Türkmen said, “There are two components. First, strategic importance. Second, the Turkish Cypriot people.”

Türkmen, pointing to the importance of the human component in Cyprus, continued as follows:

“When the UK annexed Cyprus, a consul was sent here from Turkey. This was because at that time there was no such thing as a Cyprus problem in Turkey. The Turks on the island were supposed to return to Turkey. Thus a consul was sent to simplify these procedures. It shows how different the vision was in those days.”

Independence in return for Varosha.

Türkmen, stressing that he considers the foreign policy which Turkey has lately been following with respect to the Cyprus problem to be exceptionally successful, said, “1974 was massive. I came to Cyprus in 1965. The community at that time was destitute."

Türkmen said that the failure to settle the Cyprus problem immediately after 1974 was Turkey’s greatest mistake.

İlter Türkmen furthermore said that at the time an independent state could have been achieved by giving up Varosha.

Türkmen continued as follows:

“Opportunities were also presented to us. There were interesting dialogues between Helmud Schmitt and Ecevit in 1978. Greece was still trying to accede in those days. Schmitt told Ecevit, 'I do not support Greek accession to the European Community without a settlement of the Cyprus problem. If you give me something then I will block this for you. Give me Varosha.'

Naturally, Greece’s EU accession was a great handicap for us in the Cyprus problem. Ecevit and I attended a meeting with US senators. One of the senators of Greek origin said, 'Give up Varosha and we will not care about the Cyprus problem.' We lost a great amount for the sake of certain compromises. At that time Varosha alone was enough; now it is not."

“In hindsight, I would not support the creation of the TRNC; I think it was a mistake on my part”

Replying to questions concerning former President Rauf Raif Denktash, Türkmen stated that Denktash’s vision was for the creation of a separate Turkish state in Cyprus.

Türkmen, saying that for Denktash the Cyprus problem ended with the proclamation of the TRNC, explained that, “The proclamation of the TRNC was criticised in Turkey. There was a debate as to whether it would be more correct to retain the status of a federated state.”

İlter Türkmen, stressing that he himself had supported the creation of the TRNC continued as follows:

“Later I began to question the wisdom of this. It was said that if I had not supported the TRNC certain things would have been easier.”

Türkmen, explaining that the chief reason for the establishment of the TRNC was the ending of Rauf Denktash’s term as president, said, “The prospect of a Cyprus campaign without Denktash troubled us.”

Türkmen, saying that Denktash’s capacity to lead was superb and at that time the wish was for him to continue as leader, explained that, “We also knew that this would lead to so much difficulty later.”

Türkmen’s bitter joy

İlter Türkmen experienced great emotion at the naming of a street in the area of Nicosia known as Dereboyu after his brother Güner Türkmen who, in the 1959 plane crash in London which befell the Turkish Prime-Minister of the day, Adnan Menderes, was on the delegation and lost his life.

İlter Türkmen informed us that his brother was a Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs Secretary at the time when he lost his life at the age of 27.


The original appeared in havadis on 7 July.

http://www.havadiskibris.com/NewsDetails.aspx?nid=3102

PS. I am posting this text here not because I support or wish to propagate the arguments made, but because I think some very significant points are made. If you disagree with them, do not attack me because I am just the messenger. Thanks.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:29 pm

Thank you Tim.

Turkmen confirms several of the things I said many times on this forum.

We all know, apart from some dreamer TCs, that the "trnc" will not be recognized by any important country. I would think that if the pseudo state gained any recognition that would come from countries like Azerbaijan, but as Turkmen says such recognition will be totally useless to them.

But the most important thing that Turkmen said is the fact that the dysfunctional and "difficult to implement" Annan plan was to be "shown to be unworkable" and this could help them to achieve their one and only aim (the same they had since the 1950s and never changed), the partition of Cyprus. The Annan plan was merely a stepping stone to their final aim.

Another important thing is the fact that they got Famagusta hoping that they could give back just that and keep everything else. This is another fact most of us know.

What is more interesting (and new to me) is this part: "When the UK annexed Cyprus, a consul was sent here from Turkey. This was because at that time there was no such thing as a Cyprus problem in Turkey. The Turks on the island were supposed to return to Turkey."
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Postby DT. » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:32 pm

Piratis wrote:Thank you Tim.

Turkmen confirms several of the things I said many times on this forum.

We all know, apart from some dreamer TCs, that the "trnc" will not be recognized by any important country. I would think that if the pseudo state gained any recognition that would come from countries like Azerbaijan, but as Turkmen says such recognition will be totally useless to them.

But the most important thing that Turkmen said is the fact that the dysfunctional and "difficult to implement" Annan plan was to be "shown to be unworkable" and this could help them to achieve their one and only aim (the same they had since the 1950s and never changed), the partition of Cyprus. The Annan plan was merely a stepping stone to their final aim.

Another important thing is the fact that they got Famagusta hoping that they could give back just that and keep everything else. This is another fact most of us know.

What is more interesting (and new to me) is this part: "When the UK annexed Cyprus, a consul was sent here from Turkey. This was because at that time there was no such thing as a Cyprus problem in Turkey. The Turks on the island were supposed to return to Turkey."


And still they inoccently wonder why on earth we won't accept a virgin birth scenario.... :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:00 pm

DT. wrote:
Piratis wrote:Thank you Tim.

Turkmen confirms several of the things I said many times on this forum.

We all know, apart from some dreamer TCs, that the "trnc" will not be recognized by any important country. I would think that if the pseudo state gained any recognition that would come from countries like Azerbaijan, but as Turkmen says such recognition will be totally useless to them.

But the most important thing that Turkmen said is the fact that the dysfunctional and "difficult to implement" Annan plan was to be "shown to be unworkable" and this could help them to achieve their one and only aim (the same they had since the 1950s and never changed), the partition of Cyprus. The Annan plan was merely a stepping stone to their final aim.

Another important thing is the fact that they got Famagusta hoping that they could give back just that and keep everything else. This is another fact most of us know.

What is more interesting (and new to me) is this part: "When the UK annexed Cyprus, a consul was sent here from Turkey. This was because at that time there was no such thing as a Cyprus problem in Turkey. The Turks on the island were supposed to return to Turkey."


And still they inoccently wonder why on earth we won't accept a virgin birth scenario.... :lol:


DT, for me, any solution that associates the north part of Cyprus with TCs (although it is the homeland of 5 times more GCs) is a recipe for partition and will allow the Turks to proceed with their final step in the future. Not accepting the "virgin birth" is just a legal point that will just delay their plans.

The way I see it we have only 2 options.

(1) to agree on a "solution" that will lead to two separate countries. If we will accept such thing the land distribution should be 82%-18% (or near) and we should make sure that while the two parts are still together (something we all know will not last) that they will be governed democratically by the Cypriot people. Otherwise the whole of Cyprus will come under the control of Turkey, which is the worst thing that can happen to us.

(2) If the only solution we will accept is one that will unite our island, then we should understand that such solution cannot come under the current balance of power. We should be prepared for a long cold war with Turkey, and the current status is the best we can have for fighting this cold war. If we downgrade ourselves to a community, we accept that the north part of Cyprus belongs to TCs, and we give control of our country to Turkey, then the game is over for us.

We shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot like that. We should start using our EU membership better, we should strengthen our ties with Greece and create more allies, and we should end the pessimism, understanding that this is the only way that could lead to a true unification and that the balance of power never stays constant, especially with Turkey and her several internal issues which in the future can develop into huge problems.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:07 pm

Piratis wrote:
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What is more interesting (and new to me) is this part: "When the UK annexed Cyprus, a consul was sent here from Turkey. This was because at that time there was no such thing as a Cyprus problem in Turkey. The Turks on the island were supposed to return to Turkey."


According to sources that I have read, after Britain unilaterally declared that they had annexed Cyprus on 5 November 1914 and that, henceforth, the population of the island would become British citizens, they gave the Turkish Cypriots two options. They had two years as of the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne to opt either to become British Citizens or to become Turkish citizens and depart from the island. It seems that some 8,000 Turkish Cypriots decided to become RoT citizens and of these, 4,250 people resettled in Turkey. The RoT policy at the time was to encourage Turkish Cypriots to depart for the motherland.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:12 pm

Apparently it was in 1925, after Cyprus was declared a Crown Colony, that Turkish Cypriots were given two years to decide whether to become British or Turkish citizens.

According to the TRNC Public Relations Office:

http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/ ... PAGE07.htm

Following the signing of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923, the newly-formed Turkish Republic allowed Turkish Cypriots to opt for Turkish nationality.
Turkey encouraged Turkish Cypriots who had chosen Turkish nationality to emigrate to Turkey and a Turkish Consulate was opened in Larnaca in 1925 to help facilitate this emigration.
9,800 Turkish Cypriots opted for Turkish citizenship and around 7,000 of them emigrated and settled in Turkey.
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