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[cyprusgrump]

you are just being ignorant. how old are you 10?

Hahahahahahahaha!

Ad hominem
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

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I could back my claims up with facts and references but based on your ad hominem attack I doubt if you would read them...

[cyprusgrump]

Has concerned30 left...?

Shame; one of the blogs I follow posted an excellent piece today about giving up smoking...

ASH are killing people
For years now, I have noticed that of those folk who give up smoking, a large number (roughly half, but I wasn't keeping count) develop lung cancer and other lung problems after they stop smoking. They had no problems while they were smoking, it all came after. It was all anecdotal and I don't know that many people because I'm a miserable, antisocial git, but it happened so often among the few I do know that I started to wonder.

What if it's not as simple as 'smoking causes cancer'? What if it's the change and/or the stress of the change that causes it?

Some take up smoking and get cancer quickly. Some smoke for their whole lives and never get it. Some smoke hard for decades, give up, and then get it. What if it's not the smoke per se, but the change from non-smoker to smoker, or from smoker to non-smoker? Those famous smoking beagles were kept in cages and forced to smoke, which isn't the sort of thing most dogs like to do. Hugely stressful and a very big change as far as their metabolism and immune systems were concerned. No wonder their bodies fell apart. Anyway, I had no access to any data to test the theory so I just let it rest in the back of my mind.

Meanwhile, all these 'stop smoking' cash-generators appeared. One thing they all agreed on was that you cannot cut down gradually, you have to stop altogether, just like that. All of them had that message. Allan Carr had a stop smoking program based on just stopping. That's how he did it. He's dead now. Lung cancer.

ASH insist we all just stop. Not because it's good for us, but because it offends them. So they invent passive smoking and third hand smoke and rules that make no sense at all. Smoking that used to be inside pubs is now in the street. Smoking that used to be in smoking rooms in businesses is now in the street. At the railway station, you cannot smoke on the windswept end of the platform, away from everybody, while 100-ton diesel engines blast fumes at you. You have to smoke outside the station, at the entrance, where every non-smoking passenger must walk past you. If there was really such a thing as passive smoking, don't you think it would be the other way around?

Abrupt stopping kills people. It has been demonstrated. ASH insist we just stop and they put pressure on us to do it. Considerable pressure. All the time.

ASH is killing people and they don't care, because the people they are killing are only smokers. Their agenda is more important than lives.

If you support ASH, you are an accessory to murder.

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Quite frankly, my ignorance prevents me from understanding the full implications of the piece...

[concerned30]

no i havent left.
you lot can smoke till you drop if you want. that is non of my concern.
my concern is that most restaurants in cyprus and even clubs do not give you the option of smoking and non smoking. i do not have to stay at home just because i want to breath clean air.
i applaud companies like McDonalds and Starbucks. you have a choice.
do you understand my point?

[CBBB]

no i havent left.
you lot can smoke till you drop if you want. that is non of my concern.
my concern is that most restaurants in cyprus and even clubs do not give you the option of smoking and non smoking. i do not have to stay at home just because i want to breath clean air.
i applaud companies like McDonalds and Starbucks. you have a choice.
do you understand my point?

What have McDonald's and Starbucks got to do with restaurants and clubs?

I can see absolutely no connection.

[Get Real!]

my concern is that most restaurants in cyprus and even clubs do not give you the option of smoking and non smoking.

The premise in Cyprus is very simple...

Smoker = Enjoy hundreds of smoking places!

Non-smoker = Stay home and watch TV!

Think of the savings!

[concerned30]

i dont know how to put it in simple words.
Places like McDonalds and Starbucks give you the option if you are a non smoker stay inside if you are a smoker sit outside

and no i will not stay at home and watch tv. how about this? smokers stay home and watch tv and stink up your flats and houses.


i dont understand what the big deal is. believe me in England most smokers prefer it now
and by the way its happening so whatever you do or so nothing is changing so get ver it.

[concerned30]

sorry i meant whatever you do or say!

[miltiades]

i think it's about time.
why should babies,pregnant women and old people have to inhale second hand smoke. we've come to a point where we cant go out for a nice meal without breathing that disgusting smell.

for your information i used to smoke

Ah there we are... the true sign of the righteous anti-smoking brigade!

Smoking was great when you smoked... no doubt you enjoyed the freedom to decide to smoke or not...?

Now you have given up smoking you have decided that it is 'disgusting' and nobody else should be able to choose to smoke or not!

I'm afraid you have no credibility in this discussion...

Smoking is a drug an addiction that is hard to shake off . I too was a smoker , most people of my age group were smokers, it does not mean that because we were also the victims of this horrid addiction we can not call for its ban. It is an addiction that is causing the addict an immense amount of damage both in health and in money.Give it up now and breath the fresh air , I did 10 years ago having been an addict for 38 years .
The pregnant lady is absolutely right , consideration must be given to those around the smokers , besides it is a smelly habit that leaves smelling of stale tobacco.

Nobody forced you to smoke. Indeed, there have been health warnings available for as long as I can remember.

Smokers enjoy their habit – however harmful it may be to their health and finances. Many smokers especially enjoy a cigarette after a meal…

I’m not a smoker and I’d prefer not to inhale smoke or smell of smoke after an evening out. However, I acknowledge the right of smokers to enjoy their legal habit.

You are right; consideration should be given to those around smokers. You should be able to choose to eat in a smoke free environment. In the same way, smokers should be able to choose to go to a smoking restaurant and enjoy a meal if the manager of that restaurant chooses to provide that facility.

I’m not pro smoking but I am against banning a legal substance and especially against ex-smokers who now consider it ‘disgusting’ and believe that because they have given up nobody else should be allowed to smoke anywhere.

And the reason I’m against it is that it leaves us open to people who dislike alcohol to ban that… or people telling me what to eat in case I get fat… or people telling me what films I can watch and which are bad for me…

A little late in replying but let me correct your statement on health warnings. They did not exist way back when I and those of my generation begun "enjoying" this smelly disgusting unhealthy drug . Anyone that still smokes does so NOT out of enjoyment but out of addiction , all that tobacco does is to satisfy your craving to this horrid addiction.
The more third world you travel the more this addiction is prevalent . Most , if not all smokers , have at some stage tried to kick this disgusting addiction and failed . Their time comes just as mine did after 38 years of addiction , it came in the back of an ambulance when rushed to hospital for irregular heart beats due to my lungs being full with tar.
Those who successfully gave up their addiction have a right to go any establishment and demand a smoke free atmosphere.
Give it up guys and dont tell me about enjoyment its a bloody drug and you know it .

[cyprusgrump]

i dont know how to put it in simple words.
Places like McDonalds and Starbucks give you the option if you are a non smoker stay inside if you are a smoker sit outside

and no i will not stay at home and watch tv. how about this? smokers stay home and watch tv and stink up your flats and houses.


i dont understand what the big deal is. believe me in England most smokers prefer it now
and by the way its happening so whatever you do or so nothing is changing so get ver it.

What on EARTH makes you think that 'most smokers' prefer being banned from every single pub, club and restaurant in the UK?

FACT: Fifty pubs are closing every week in the UK because smokers have been driven out and forced to stand outside to have a cigarette.

[CBBB]

i dont know how to put it in simple words.
Places like McDonalds and Starbucks give you the option if you are a non smoker stay inside if you are a smoker sit outside

and no i will not stay at home and watch tv. how about this? smokers stay home and watch tv and stink up your flats and houses.


i dont understand what the big deal is. believe me in England most smokers prefer it now
and by the way its happening so whatever you do or so nothing is changing so get ver it.

What on EARTH makes you think that 'most smokers' prefer being banned from every single pub, club and restaurant in the UK?

FACT: Fifty pubs are closing every week in the UK because smokers have been driven out and forced to stand outside to have a cigarette.

I'll drink to that, but obviously not in a British pub where I can't smoke (that's if I could still find one).