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[Floda]

Years ago also Londoners would visit the London Zoo and take along live cats to feed to the lions and tigers !
Progress must continue and banning this dirty smelly unhealthy drug addiction is a step in the right direction.

A very profound comparison miltiades, I do believe they also used to throw deserters to the Lions, but that was in the days when London was known as Londinium (Roman I believe) and the zoos were somewhat more ferocious.

Count yourself lucky, you had a narrow escape, well, a couple of thousand years is narrow when compared with eternity I suppose.

As to your direct criticism of smoking and your descriptive comments, one would hardly expect otherwise from a man so enamoured with the UK and every law or by-law foisted upon it's citizens that he can even justify the slaughter of innocent children.

[miltiades]

Years ago also Londoners would visit the London Zoo and take along live cats to feed to the lions and tigers !
Progress must continue and banning this dirty smelly unhealthy drug addiction is a step in the right direction.

A very profound comparison miltiades, I do believe they also used to throw deserters to the Lions, but that was in the days when London was known as Londinium (Roman I believe) and the zoos were somewhat more ferocious.

Count yourself lucky, you had a narrow escape, well, a couple of thousand years is narrow when compared with eternity I suppose.

As to your direct criticism of smoking and your descriptive comments, one would hardly expect otherwise from a man so enamoured with the UK and every law or by-law foisted upon it's citizens that he can even justify the slaughter of innocent children.

Take advice son from a mature adult , get some help and fast !!

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!

@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.

kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...

So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php

You obviously misunderstood my last statement…

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?

You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you.

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so...

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.

OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject.

You should try it...

I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please

You idiot!

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend?

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What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!

Now who's the idiot? Doesn't even know which country he lives in

I'd guess that would be you then...?

You criticise me for quoting data from the UK then quote your own 'facts' from the USA...

And I'd suggest that 3,000 deaths from a population of 306 million hardly justifies your statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’ does it?

Even your own 'facts' which you fail to provide a link to state 'EPA has never claimed that minimal exposure to secondhand smoke poses a huge individual cancer risk.'

Idiot.

You want to see smoking banned yet have a car logo as an avatart and daily walk down streets where vehicles produce air quality significantly worse for your health than that in a pub...

this is cool, its great to see men are bitches too

[Zorba]

As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!

@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.

kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...

So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php

You obviously misunderstood my last statement…

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?

You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you.

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so...

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.

OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject.

You should try it...

I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please

You idiot!

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend?

\

What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!

Now who's the idiot? Doesn't even know which country he lives in

I'd guess that would be you then...?

You criticise me for quoting data from the UK then quote your own 'facts' from the USA...

And I'd suggest that 3,000 deaths from a population of 306 million hardly justifies your statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’ does it?

Even your own 'facts' which you fail to provide a link to state 'EPA has never claimed that minimal exposure to secondhand smoke poses a huge individual cancer risk.'

Idiot.

You want to see smoking banned yet have a car logo as an avatart and daily walk down streets where vehicles produce air quality significantly worse for your health than that in a pub...

this is cool, its great to see men are bitches too

To all smokers....
Hey,I will let you smoke in my presence if you let me fart in your presence. To me it's all about nasty smells. You can kill yourself slowly if you so desire but don't make me smell you while you are you doing it.

[Floda]

To all smokers....
Hey,I will let you smoke in my presence if you let me fart in your presence. To me it's all about nasty smells. You can kill yourself slowly if you so desire but don't make me smell you while you are you doing it.

Just out of interest Zorba, I wonder if it would be possible to 'Fart' yourself to death ?.

[Zorba]

To all smokers....
Hey,I will let you smoke in my presence if you let me fart in your presence. To me it's all about nasty smells. You can kill yourself slowly if you so desire but don't make me smell you while you are you doing it.

Just out of interest Zorba, I wonder if it would be possible to 'Fart' yourself to death ?.

I nearly did once when I was stuck in a lift.
The doors opened just in time

[Bubble 'n' squeak]

To all smokers....
Hey,I will let you smoke in my presence if you let me fart in your presence. To me it's all about nasty smells. You can kill yourself slowly if you so desire but don't make me smell you while you are you doing it.

Just out of interest Zorba, I wonder if it would be possible to 'Fart' yourself to death ?.

I nearly did once when I was stuck in a lift.
The doors opened just in time

LOL

[aLeX-DB9]

i believe that health is related to evolution.... You see... millions of years ago, men where living out of raw meat! Nowadays we evolved so fast, we made so many things that our organism cannot coop. That is why we have diseases... They say the healthiest diet is the mediterannean diet. That is because our ancestors were eating bread and vegetables for thousands of years

Maybe people could smoke and be healthy their entire lives but that won't happen untill people adapt to these newfound substances. That is not for another thousand years. Until then people will still be dying

[Oracle]

You can be tested to see if you carry the gene which leads to lung cancer from cigarette smoke!

Of course, it is considered unethical to test for such a lifestyle issue ...

[aLeX-DB9]

You can be tested to see if you carry the gene which leads to lung cancer from cigarette smoke!

Of course, it is considered unethical to test for such a lifestyle issue ...

Actually, i don't know if we will ever adapt to smoking. I'm just saying what i believe and it is possible for humans to adapt to any climate or lifestyle, we just need to do it more slowly

Infact that is only a very general idea of the matter. If you want to keep fighting for smoking then go on. I am a non smoker and i don't like it when people smoke around me but i can survive. I don't mind if cigarettes are banned completely or not